Up until the punching, it was a real nice party.

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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§ ita § - Mar 03, 2008 12:34:44 pm PST #8625 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What kind of familiar? I'm passing familiar, but might be able to point you places.


Sue - Mar 03, 2008 6:52:31 pm PST #8626 of 9843
hip deep in pie

I am familiar with not understanding either when I hear them.


CaBil - Mar 04, 2008 5:40:07 am PST #8627 of 9843
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

ita, just looking for a resource. From what I understand, the tenses and the like are different because of the 18th century split linguistically between Metro French and Quebec French, since a lot of the rationalization of the French language rules happened in the 19th century post split.

I have a Canadian character who grew up as a member as part of a minority, which means either one of the French minorities or a First Nation. The story is set in the 1830-1850 timeframe, so I was thinking that the character would be a expat that left Canada due to the 1837 Patriotes' Rebellion.

For instance, yes is Oui in French, but because of the different tenses, do I modify that?


§ ita § - Mar 04, 2008 5:45:17 am PST #8628 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You're definitely beyond my scope there, CaBil. In Montreal I didn't have exposure to different tenses, but it might be because of the # of English speakers there who would have learnt textbook French, if any--the biggest differences were pronunciation and vocabulary.

Also "oui" would have nothing to do with tenses. It's just "yes."


CaBil - Mar 04, 2008 5:55:01 am PST #8629 of 9843
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Since this will be written, I won't have to worry about pronunciation then.

Do you think it still seem authentic if I just used a Quebecois slang dictionary to get a handle on the different vocab?


Sue - Mar 04, 2008 6:04:02 am PST #8630 of 9843
hip deep in pie

I haven't taken French since Grade Ten, but my understanding is that most of the differences between Quebec French and French French are about everyday and idiomatic language and accents. I'm pretty sure the grammar and tenses are similar. But my knowledge of French tenses past the basic ones is almost nil.


Dana - Mar 04, 2008 6:09:49 am PST #8631 of 9843
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I don't know anything about Quebecois, but I believe there are some tense differences in Cajun French.


JZ - Mar 04, 2008 8:09:06 am PST #8632 of 9843
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

You might try pinging megan walker about this -- granted, her French is actual France French, but she is deeply fluent, well-traveled, knows people from practically everywhere on the planet, and works for a textbook publisher, so even if it falls outside her own French genius she might at least know where some good resources are.


Hil R. - Mar 04, 2008 7:38:25 pm PST #8633 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Yeah, Cajun French has some different stuff going on with conjugation, but I couldn't really explain what was different, just that it wasn't the way I learned it.


Kevin - Mar 23, 2008 7:14:54 am PDT #8634 of 9843
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

So, do any of our UKers watch Skins at all?

Tell me somebody does.... It's excellent.