Anya: We should drop a piano on her. It always works for that creepy cartoon rabbit when he's running from that nice man with the speech impediment. Giles: Yes, or perhaps we could paint a convincing fake tunnel on the side of a mountain.

'Touched'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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§ ita § - Dec 20, 2006 10:18:51 am PST #8285 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Numbers - not cultural influence.

There's a plurality of German Americans and their descendants among white Americans? With or without removing Hispanics?

I am surprised to learn that.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 20, 2006 10:19:16 am PST #8286 of 9843
What is even happening?

Isn't Lewiston where Bates College is? I think it was a papermill town (I decided I couldn't go to Bates, because of the smell). Is the mill closed?

I think it used to be used relatively openly to mark social class and exclusion, and vestiges of that remained into my childhood, where I told and heard French jokes of the sort that are called Polack jokes elsewhere in New England.

I never heard Polish jokes, growing up. They were always Italian jokes. Where, in New England, did you hear "Polack" jokes, Nutty?


Connie Neil - Dec 20, 2006 10:21:43 am PST #8287 of 9843
brillig

Numbers - not cultural influence

Fear the power of the mighty Scots-German hybrid that came out of the forests of the Northeast, united by their dislike of the English colonists.

What's amusing is how some of my older relatives were adamant that they were in no way descended from Scots or Irish and accused me of faking the genealogical records I found.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 20, 2006 10:22:05 am PST #8288 of 9843
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Not in Lewiston. It's not pretty.

Good college there (Bates), but that's about it, especially once the mills went belly up.

I was amused by how wrong like a wrong thing that is wrong all the stuff in Maine looked in The Sopranos episode where Tony brought Meadow up to visit the big three colleges in Maine (Bates, Colby and Bowdoin, which is in my home town), esepcially since they film in Jersey and not out in California like most shows/movies that get Maine wrong.


Connie Neil - Dec 20, 2006 10:22:49 am PST #8289 of 9843
brillig

There's a plurality of German Americans and their descendants among white Americans?

Most of those boats coming over in the big immigration waves of the early 20th century were full of Germans. The Irish just made more of a splash.


§ ita § - Dec 20, 2006 10:23:57 am PST #8290 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Most of those boats coming over in the big immigration waves of the early 20th century were full of Germans

Fascinating. I'd love to see numbers for how many people immigrated in the last century, and where they came from.


Lola Walser - Dec 20, 2006 10:24:48 am PST #8291 of 9843
Madame, what you said to her was "squid", not "good morning".

Quebec and its discontents is still a mystery to me. From where I'm standing, it looks like nothing so much as another case of crass, petty, nigh-racist nationalism. "Pur laine" bloodlines and all that--it's nazisoid.

It's sad that so often one apparently cannot defend tradition without falling into crazy discrimination and xenophobia.

Don't get me wrong--all the French Canadians I've met so far have been lovely people, but maybe that's a self-selected sample, those who moved to Ontario. :)


Nutty - Dec 20, 2006 10:25:18 am PST #8292 of 9843
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Lewiston hasn't been a paper town for a long while, although there used to be quite a few on the Androscoggin River. (Starting at Berlin, NH, which still smells like farts.)

Bates College is in Lewiston, and it's a very weird place for it, too.

Polack jokes are fairly common in Central Connecticut, where there are a lot of Polish last names. I don't remember what ethnicity was subbed in around Boston. (My guess would have been Portuguese, the Irish having a long history of professional ethnic pride.)

Yes, you too can have a region almost entirely populated by white people, and think of some way to find and magnify differences among them!!


DavidS - Dec 20, 2006 10:25:38 am PST #8293 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

There's a plurality of German Americans and their descendants among white Americans?

Yes. And it's fairly high too, though German-American were much more likely to mix with other ethnicities early on.

With or without removing Hispanics?

I think so, still. Hispanics are often divvied up into two categories with the EEO for Hispanic, White and Hispanic, Not So White. I'm not sure of their total numbers, but I still think German-Americans have the biggest single ethnic chunk.


Connie Neil - Dec 20, 2006 10:27:34 am PST #8294 of 9843
brillig

I'd love to see numbers for how many people immigrated in the last century, and where they came from.

[link]

"Historical Census Statistics on the Foreign-born Population of the United States: 1850-1990"

Ask a genealogist and ye shall receive