Hell yeah on the longueurs. What's "prog," though?
Kaylee: So, uh, how come you don't care where you're going? Book: 'Cause how you get there is the worthier part.
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§ ita § - Jul 15, 2005 5:05:06 am PDT #7789 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Jim - Jul 15, 2005 5:07:09 am PDT #7790 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
"progressive rock". Ask Hec.
§ ita § - Jul 15, 2005 5:10:02 am PDT #7791 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Ask Hec? A music question? Are you insane? I'll just make some stuff up.
Jim - Jul 15, 2005 5:47:49 am PDT #7792 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
I can't tell if you're kidding about not knowing - Prog is all those endless fucking albums about pixies former hippy bands like Pink Floyd recorded in the '70s before punk rightly exterminated the,
sumi - Jul 15, 2005 5:50:30 am PDT #7793 of 9843
Art Crawl!!!
It's like the precurser to the nameless, faceless corporate rock of bands like Boston.
Jim's description alone is enough to make me never want to watch Green Wing ever.
§ ita § - Jul 15, 2005 6:34:39 am PDT #7794 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
No, I was serious. Never a term that I'd paid any attention to, since they didn't seem to to be talking about music I was listening to. But now I know -- thanks.
Jim's description alone is enough to make me never want to watch Green Wing ever.
It's really hit and miss. About 1/2 the storylines made me want to spork people, but I loved the other half -- so I never watched it live. FF is our friend.
Fay - Jul 15, 2005 6:35:37 am PDT #7795 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Well, shit. Let's just recap. I live in Cairo. My wee sister has just (like, days ago) graduated from Leeds University - where she lived a couple of streets away from the guys they arrested.
The fun keeps right on coming.
...and this guy? My God, I bet he wishes he'd stayed in Britain. The Egyptian police make no bones about torturing people. It's not even secret. It's what they do.
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Meanwhile Dr Badawi, one of the main proponents of inter-faith dialogue, a prominent voice for mainstream Islam, religious moderation and tolerance, the guy standing here with the Archbishop of Canterbury and Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks to condemn Thursday's bomb attacks just got refused entry to the US. He was going there to speak to American Muslims and to Jews and Christians as a voice for moderate Islam and for inter-faith understanding, trying to encourage bridge-building between communities. I've just watched him being interviewed on Sky News, and his courtesy and understanding at being kept waiting in immigration for six hours and then turned away made me feel (pointlessly) ashamed. ("...No, they couldn't tell me why I wasn't allowed into the country. But Security is one of the hardest and most important of jobs, and I do see that if they accidentally let someone in who then goes on to commit a crime they will have blood on their hands...")*
He was very dignified and good-humoured about it all, sitting there in his suit and tie, with considerably less facial hair than my dad, the picture of moderate mainstream Islam. What the hell kind of message is this?
*I'm paraphrasing, obviously, because I didn't write it down word-for-word as I watched the news.
Anne W. - Jul 15, 2005 6:45:23 am PDT #7796 of 9843
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
Officials in Cairo said state security officials have begun to question him
Eep. I get the feeling that "question" is a pretty loose term in this case, then?
Fay - Jul 15, 2005 7:07:30 am PDT #7797 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Eep. I get the feeling that "question" is a pretty loose term in this case, then.
I'm going to go with a big yes. Jesus, there was a recent report into the conduct of Egyptian Police carried out by Egyptians which found them guilty of regularly using torture. We don't have an extradition treaty with Egypt, but we've got pretty good relations with the country. I really would not want to be this guy. I don't think he'd be getting mistreated if he were in a UK cell right now, but Egypt depends upon its tourist trade, and since some dickheads have attacked tourists here in Egypt within the past couple of months, the tourist trade has been threatened again. Which has a direct knock-on effect for people's friends and families in a whole host of different jobs. Can't see this guy being flavour of the month, somehow.
Theodosia - Jul 15, 2005 11:24:08 am PDT #7798 of 9843
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
US Immigration also turned back Bernadette Devlin [married last name] as a suspected terrorist. She's a grandma now, with a distinguished career behind her, but back in the day she won the Nobel Peace Prize....
I'm sure glad the Un-Americans here have some personal experience with Buffista-Americans to know that we're not all ignorant yahoos. I'm very ashamed of my country.