You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Jim - Dec 06, 2002 2:55:30 am PST #722 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Yes, but it was a fantastic sight gag.


Noumenon - Dec 06, 2002 8:36:34 pm PST #723 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

Dave Barry's gift guide this year reviews a Nature's Platform Toilet Squatting Device that lets you convert a Western-style sit-down toilet seat to allow a more-natural squatting position. I've been wondering about this ever since I learned about it. I know men's urinary systems weaken and allow backups if they use bedpans too long instead of standing up, so sit-down toilets could well cause problems too. Have any unamericans had experience with the squatting style they want to share? John H, do they use that kind in Vietnam, or are they going porcelain?


DavidS - Dec 07, 2002 12:39:01 am PST #724 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Holy FUCK was that a good episode of Firefly. This show is flying so high and hard now - it'll be a damn shame if they can't keep it going.


John H - Dec 07, 2002 1:45:40 am PST #725 of 9843

John H, do they use that kind in Vietnam, or are they going porcelain?

This is not the kind of thing we reserved british people like to go into detail over, but my vietnamese family have a squatting type toilet, yes. The other type were only found in "western-style" establishments like a Troung Nguyen or "vietnamese starbucks" outlet.

You get used to it.


Jim - Dec 07, 2002 7:48:27 am PST #726 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

I don't mind squat toilets as long as they're cleanish. I remember when I first went to SE Asia I hated the idea for about the first 2 weeks until I learned to read while squatting with a torch in my mouth - a basic travelling life skill.


Burrell - Dec 07, 2002 11:39:12 am PST #727 of 9843
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I didn't find the squat toilets a big adjustment. In fact, given the lowered sanitary levels I was happy to have as much space as possible between the toilet & my precious bits. Then again, not male. (Er, not that men feel differently about sanitation, but rather that I wasn't likely to worry about undue effects on my prostate!)


Noumenon - Dec 07, 2002 1:41:34 pm PST #728 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

not the kind of thing we reserved british people like to go into detail over

Oh, no, is it typical for the Ugly American to walk into the group and chirp, "Tell me all about your charming local toilet customs"? I was just wondering if you had to have good balance or be in shape, and if things went quicker that way.

until I learned to read while squatting with a torch in my mouth

Then you just set your book on the ground when you're going to wipe. Where do they keep the toilet paper? Is it on a roller or a platform? It seems like directly in front would be the easiest to reach without balance issues, or maybe overhead.


John H - Dec 07, 2002 2:00:59 pm PST #729 of 9843

if you had to have good balance or be in shape, and if things went quicker that way.

You see how I said I didn't want to give details, and you're asking me for details?

But to answer your question, the room the toilet was in was so small that reaching a hand out in any direction, you could steady yourself against a wall. At first I found it really difficult, but I got used to it after a couple of days, but I didn't find any kind of transition problem coming back to "western" toilets.

I'll tell you what I really really missed over there, and that was a bath.

They had a shower, but no hot water, which wasn't a problem, because it was so incredibly hot that you always wanted a cold shower, and sometimes four or five a day.

But no bath.

I had no idea how much I enjoyed having baths until I didn't have one for a whole month. It really got to me. I mean there was probably an issue of stress, new language new country new weather, various responsibilities and whatever, plus privacy issues -- I was never entirely alone for that month either -- but I was like an addict. I fantasised about all the great baths I'd take when I got back, and reminisced over the good times I'd had in the bath with a good book and a glass of wine...


Burrell - Dec 07, 2002 2:04:00 pm PST #730 of 9843
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

John, I so know what you mean about the baths. When I was travelling in China, I so longed for a bath. Finally we decided to stay in one nice joint-venture hotel so we could take hot baths. Ahhh!


Susan W. - Dec 07, 2002 2:54:06 pm PST #731 of 9843
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

The house I lived in my year in England had just a bath, no shower, and I hated it. If I could only have one, I'd choose the shower in a nanosecond. Baths are nice for the occasional relaxing soak, but I always feel cleaner after a shower, and they're warmer early in the morning in a cold house.