Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.

Giles ,'Conversations with Dead People'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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helentm - Aug 23, 2003 12:44:45 am PDT #6401 of 9843
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

Just out of curiousity, how did Tim get the death rep? I haven't been keeping track of authors, so I'd love to know; who'd he kill?


Cindy - Aug 23, 2003 1:26:24 am PDT #6402 of 9843
Nobody

( That was her secret plan, all along!:)

Tattle tale! Looks like I'm going to have to let Ashcr*ft know about your WMD, Nou.

You are all mad! Seinfeld was brilliant from beginning to end. The sheer virtuousity of the plotting alone, the way all the disparate plot strands of each episode would come together in the final scene, puts it right at the top of the heap for me. Also, the point isn't just that the characters are unpleasant, it's that at some level they know they're unpleasant, but they persistently and hilariously undermine their own and each other's efforts to be better.

Yes! Susan's death was cold, though. I think that was part of the in-joke. In this whole show about nothing, in following these silly characters along and seeing how shallow and self-absorbed they were, when something actually horrible happened (like Susan's death), the focus was never on the events, but on the thought processes and motivations of the characters. In an odd way, the Seinfeld storytelling (overall) reminds me of the way Joss revealed Buffy's odd, and sometimes inappropriate thoughts, in The Body. My favorite forever will be the one in which Elaine was trapped on the train, trying to get to a wedding.


Leigh - Aug 23, 2003 1:31:36 am PDT #6403 of 9843
Nobody

who'd he kill?

Uh, off the top of my head the major/semi-significant characters who have died onscreen in Tim episodes are: Doyle, Angel's mother, father and sister, Darla has died a total of four times as a character and Tim was involved in portraying three of those deaths, Holland was sucked dry, Merl got torn to pieces, Holtz had an unfortunate run in with the man, and Connor died in the sense that Tim had Angel slash his throat and get him a new boring life&personality package.

Eta to add that Tim is the master of extraneous character death, so the above body-count isn't really a fair representation. He wacked an entire cellar-full of lawyers along with Holland, for instance.


Emlah - Aug 23, 2003 1:36:54 am PDT #6404 of 9843
To every idea a shelf...

He also killed Lorne, albeit temporarily.

Deaths I'm unsure about: The Oracles and Lilah. I can't remember which ep the Oracles got killed in. And who killed Lilah?

Also, from what I've read in interviews and archived Buffista threads he has just generally shown a great gusto for bloodshed. tiM+vaRIEtyofweAPons4EVA!!!11!!


Leigh - Aug 23, 2003 1:44:39 am PDT #6405 of 9843
Nobody

And who killed Lilah?

Heh. I had trouble remembering whether it was Jeffrey Bell or Steven DeKnight, and it turns out Bell, DeKnight and Mere had a hand in Calvary.


Noumenon - Aug 23, 2003 2:32:16 am PDT #6406 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

Tim is the master of extraneous character death, so the above body-count isn't really a fair representation. He wacked an entire cellar-full of lawyers along with Holland, for instance.

But he spared all the goats in "Reprise." I wonder why.


evil jimi - Aug 23, 2003 2:41:57 am PDT #6407 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

But he spared all the goats in "Reprise." I wonder why.

David Fury fell in love with one.


Noumenon - Aug 23, 2003 4:06:26 am PDT #6408 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

WaterAid has a special supplement in today's Guardian. If anybody reads it and wants to support them, I still want to try funneling my donations through a UK taxpayer so they can reclaim the tax.


evil jimi - Aug 23, 2003 4:23:49 am PDT #6409 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Just read that a tv mini-series remake of Salem's Lot is (or was) being filmed in Melbourne. Rutger Hauer is the vamp/bad guy and Rob Lowe the hero.


Angus G - Aug 23, 2003 4:27:29 am PDT #6410 of 9843
Roguish Laird

My favorite forever will be the one in which Elaine was trapped on the train, trying to get to a wedding.

Ha, yes, the lesbian wedding! "I'm not a lesbian! I hate men, but I'm not a lesbian!"