Cindy, when will you give up your multiple nefarious plans to recarve UnAm in your own image?
And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD.
Buffy ,'Sleeper'
All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American
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Sean K - Aug 22, 2003 3:49:35 pm PDT #6393 of 9843
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Noumenon - Aug 22, 2003 4:00:04 pm PDT #6394 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti
I don't think you should be criticizing Cindy here in the de facto Cindy thread. ( That was her secret plan, all along!:)
edited to add smiley.
Trudy Booth - Aug 22, 2003 6:21:06 pm PDT #6395 of 9843
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I also hated it. I thought they were all mean, mean people,
This is what made the finale so freakin' great.
I, too, however, was really snapped out of it by the whole Susan arc.
§ ita § - Aug 22, 2003 6:29:17 pm PDT #6396 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
By the Susan arc I was very "see! Horrible people. Why don't they suffer more? Why don't I suffer less?" and then I realised I'd been watching it and not enjoying it.
Curse my need to have material for an opinion.
Angus G - Aug 22, 2003 9:21:35 pm PDT #6397 of 9843
Roguish Laird
You are all mad! Seinfeld was brilliant from beginning to end. The sheer virtuousity of the plotting alone, the way all the disparate plot strands of each episode would come together in the final scene, puts it right at the top of the heap for me. Also, the point isn't just that the characters are unpleasant, it's that at some level they know they're unpleasant, but they persistently and hilariously undermine their own and each other's efforts to be better.
(Oh, and I can state with some certainty that Allan was joking.)
Emlah - Aug 22, 2003 9:43:01 pm PDT #6398 of 9843
To every idea a shelf...
I'm in the 'hate it' camp for all the reasons people have already put forward: unengaging, irritating etc. It makes me cringe and seeth rather than laugh.
Leigh - Aug 22, 2003 10:57:12 pm PDT #6399 of 9843
Nobody
I don't think I've ever been able to sit through an entire episode of Seinfeld (I worried that all the cringing I was doing was going to give me premature wrinkles), but objectively I appreciate it. Well, sort of--the repetition of the dumb sitcom formula of having the character do something stupid/horrible and then spend the rest of the episode attempting to cover it up from their girlfriend/boss/whoever was a bit tedious.
evil jimi - Aug 22, 2003 11:35:39 pm PDT #6400 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.
mommy, don't let the bad man hurt me.
< - - pointing at Angus
nubmer
helentm - Aug 23, 2003 12:44:45 am PDT #6401 of 9843
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre
Just out of curiousity, how did Tim get the death rep? I haven't been keeping track of authors, so I'd love to know; who'd he kill?
Cindy - Aug 23, 2003 1:26:24 am PDT #6402 of 9843
Nobody
( That was her secret plan, all along!:)
Tattle tale! Looks like I'm going to have to let Ashcr*ft know about your WMD, Nou.
You are all mad! Seinfeld was brilliant from beginning to end. The sheer virtuousity of the plotting alone, the way all the disparate plot strands of each episode would come together in the final scene, puts it right at the top of the heap for me. Also, the point isn't just that the characters are unpleasant, it's that at some level they know they're unpleasant, but they persistently and hilariously undermine their own and each other's efforts to be better.
Yes! Susan's death was cold, though. I think that was part of the in-joke. In this whole show about nothing, in following these silly characters along and seeing how shallow and self-absorbed they were, when something actually horrible happened (like Susan's death), the focus was never on the events, but on the thought processes and motivations of the characters. In an odd way, the Seinfeld storytelling (overall) reminds me of the way Joss revealed Buffy's odd, and sometimes inappropriate thoughts, in The Body. My favorite forever will be the one in which Elaine was trapped on the train, trying to get to a wedding.