Oh, smacked in the noggin with a 2x4 wrapped in velvet. Yeah, that's what it felt like.

Lorne ,'Smile Time'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Fay - Aug 22, 2003 5:55:47 am PDT #6362 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

'A lot of people owe Sarah a lot for doing that show, and she doesn't always get the credit she deserves. She deals with a lot of nonsense, and instead of that nonsense she should be thanked -- and she's not. That's the reason she won't be coming back.'

Wow. Way to make your wife look like a jerk, Mr Junior. Or way to make yourself look like a jerk, Mrs Junior. Either way, the girl got the lion's share of the publicity for the show over seven years. She did some good, and some excellent work on it, fair play to her, but it's not like everyone else was having to be carried along by her tour de force performance in each episode. The core cast does not suck. And, frankly, even if the core cast did suck, slating them for it isn't particularly smart.


sumi - Aug 22, 2003 6:06:57 am PDT #6363 of 9843
Art Crawl!!!

I like calling them Mr. & Mrs. Junior.

I wonder if he wasn't responding to some of the anti-SMG stuff that's out - - the SMG-unlove the surfaces now and then.


Fay - Aug 22, 2003 6:19:14 am PDT #6364 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I guess one shouldn't even speculate, given only such a wee crumb of information/hearsay -- but the lead failing to attend a wrap party that the rest of the cast went to, if that is indeed what happened, does come across as a big snub to me. Not big with the class. But, as I said, hush my mouth -- not fair to speculate on so little info.


bon bon - Aug 22, 2003 6:39:01 am PDT #6365 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Joss specifically reponded to that comment in the big IGN Film Force article whose link I don't have handy. Not that he says anything particularly striking or inflammatory, but he was definitely familiar with that comment.


evil jimi - Aug 22, 2003 7:48:54 am PDT #6366 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

a quick search and ....

IGNFF: There was a recent interview that came out with Freddy Prinze, Jr. ...

WHEDON: The thing about the nonsense? He was quoted as saying, "Sarah had to deal with a lot of nonsense," and I was like, "Okay, Fred. I never saw you on set, so I'm not really sure what you're referring to, but bless ya. Bless ya. By the way, I still know what you did last summer, buddy."

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Jon B. - Aug 22, 2003 9:06:55 am PDT #6367 of 9843
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Who is Seinfeld?

Catching up and noticed that no one answered Allan. Seinfeld was an extremely popular American sitcom about a comedian (Jerry Seinfeld) living in NYC. He played "himself". It stood out with a radically different sensibility from any other Amercian sitcom I've seen. It's original premise was that it was "a show about nothing". One early episode, for instance, took place entirely in a Chinese restaurant while the main characters waited endlessly for a table. Another took place in a multi-level indoor car park while the main characters searched unsuccessfully for their car. Although later episodes had plots that could be described as Altman-esque (multiple storylines that interweave in unexpected ways), it never lost it's edge (IMO, I'm sure others will disagree).

One of the main characters, George, worked for the New York Yankees. An actor, playing George Steinbrenner's back (we never saw his face) was a recurring character.


Fred Pete - Aug 22, 2003 9:14:05 am PDT #6368 of 9843
Ann, that's a ferret.

Although later episodes had plots that could be described as Altman-esque (multiple storylines that interweave in unexpected ways), it never lost it's edge (IMO, I'm sure others will disagree).

I'd call it a show people either loved or hated. I was in the latter group -- I just never got it.


erikaj - Aug 22, 2003 9:19:41 am PDT #6369 of 9843
Always Anti-fascist!

I loved it. I must confess(darned American Solipsism) I thought he was kidding. I feel terrible, now!


flea - Aug 22, 2003 9:21:36 am PDT #6370 of 9843
information libertarian

I hated it. Except Kramer.


§ ita § - Aug 22, 2003 9:22:21 am PDT #6371 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I hated it all.

Thought it was clever but unengaging.