I like books. I just don't want to take on too much. Do they have an introduction to the modern blurb?

Buffy ,'Lessons'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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§ ita § - Apr 23, 2003 9:49:50 am PDT #4022 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Waking the Dead is pretty damn good, isn't it?

Love it. It's like CSI without the glam. And with more protective clothing. And the sexual tension, though the platonic interactions are also great.


UTTAD - Apr 23, 2003 9:58:43 am PDT #4023 of 9843
Strawberry disappointment.

There's different wording in Scotland, Scots Law being different from English.


Nutty - Apr 23, 2003 10:04:35 am PDT #4024 of 9843
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

One of the parts I always liked about Homicide was that the detectives could and did lie to suspects, pull all sorts of shock and intimidation techniques, be annoying or mean or ghastly -- anything that did not physically harm the suspect for a confession. Sometimes even after the suspect had asked for a lawyer, the detective would be like, "Do you really want a lawyer mucking all this up? I'm sure you and I can work it out."

It was all in the way of proving the thesis that 99.99% of the time, criminals are truly dumb, and conversely that people will go along with a person in authority for a really long way before objecting. There was a first season episode (I think) where, to prove a point, Pembleton induced a person he knew to be innocent to confess to a cop-killing, purely by force of personality and rhetoric. (And then tore up the confession; he was just proving out his own cynicism to his boss.)

I notice the UK version of Miranda doesn't even mention asking for a legal representative (barrister? solicitor? Those guys who wear the funny wigs).


deborah grabien - Apr 23, 2003 10:06:35 am PDT #4025 of 9843
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

We have terrible problems with this kind of thing over here - not having a constitution makes it relatively easy to nibble away at civil rights.

London's antique "sus" law, used to arrest anyone they didn't like in the Thatcher years....man, that makes me nuts.

Jim, the US has a constitution. It isn't stopping John Ashcroft, so far as i can see.

I'm with Cindy on SMG. I can't imagine anyone else as Buffy; I think the role has her stamp all over it. But I also agree that the role hasn't been written very well recently.


Angus G - Apr 23, 2003 10:06:35 am PDT #4026 of 9843
Roguish Laird

You ask for a solicitor (no funny wig). The solicitor then briefs a barrister (funny wig) who represents you in court (if it gets that far).


meara - Apr 23, 2003 10:15:18 am PDT #4027 of 9843

You ask for a solicitor (no funny wig). The solicitor then briefs a barrister (funny wig) who represents you in court (if it gets that far).

Really? That seems convoluted! Why?

Paper I read made the case with the supreme court sound way more gray area--that they'd started to read the guy his rights, and he stopped them , and so then they asked if he had guns, and he said yes. (or something along those lines). And then he said because they stopped reading the rights when he stopped them, he wasn't properly mirandized. Ew. (Of course, at this point, who the hell DOESN"T know their Miranda rights?? Not that that's an excuse for cops to be evil, but...)


Betsy HP - Apr 23, 2003 10:17:55 am PDT #4028 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

What if your solicitor is a transvestite? Then does he get to wear a funny wig?


Angus G - Apr 23, 2003 10:18:50 am PDT #4029 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Really? That seems convoluted! Why?

It is convoluted, but it's Her Majesty's law! (Which Australia has also inherited.) There probably is a reason for it somewhere in the dim past.


Nutty - Apr 23, 2003 10:25:11 am PDT #4030 of 9843
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

at this point, who the hell DOESN"T know their Miranda rights??

I think the idea is, in this country at least, it can be so intimidating to be in a police station that people automatically start going "Yes, sir", even when they know that's not in their own best interest. In some states -- I don't know, maybe all of them -- when you're Mirandized, you're required to sign a form specifically waiving those rights before they'll interview you, just to make it 100% clear that you did know those rights, and everyone was on the same table, and if you talked after that you deserved all of the stupid you'd brought upon yourself.


evil jimi - Apr 23, 2003 10:31:22 am PDT #4031 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Would Buffy have to be blonde?

Yes. The entire premise of Buffy the Vampire Slayer was to have the stereotypical "ditzy blonde victim" of the past, turn out to be the hero.

"You have the right to remains silent, but it may harm your defence if you fail to mention anything you later rely on in court."

Allowing for the fact that I only know this from watching The Bill -- though not as much as I used to, since they ditched the original premise and turned it into Days of Our Old Bill -- I thought the line was: "You have the right to remain silent but it may harm your defence if during questioning you fail to mention something you later rely on in court."

I notice the UK version of Miranda doesn't even mention asking for a legal representative...

Jim didn't give the full spiel. However, they do inform you of your right to have a "brief" when you're being booked in at the station.