May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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billytea - Apr 23, 2003 5:56:05 am PDT #4007 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

See, the whole design of Canberra with all its little 'town centers' spread out everywhere is good for preventing traffic jams, and for the scenery, but yeah, less population density means less places open at obscure hours...

But Kingston's one of the more medium-density suburbs of Canberra (lots of apartment blocks, a number of relatively upscale ones too). Yet Manuka, just down the road, is doing quite nicely for weekend dining.

I love the multi-nuclear design myself. (That it freaks out interstaters is just a bonus.) I place a pretty high premium on easy driving and the garden city status.

And I have to apologise to billytea for my wrongness. There are indeed, Aussie pie and Heinz sauce chips, Ham and Keens mustard chips and, wait for it... Mighty Bighty Bega cheese chips. I saw them tonight in the box of much temptation (aka, the snack food machine at work.)

t laughing like a drain Should I mention that Bec grew up in Bega? (A cattle farm just outside, to be precise.)

Yeah, chalk me up as another reasonably intelligent person who has issues with discerning left and right.

Yeah, me too. Hopeless at it. I basically have to stare at my hands for a couple of seconds to work out which is which (I do the 'L' thing). Most interesting experience was trying to direct a taxi-driver in Cairo, in Arabic. When you don't even know the words for left and right...


Fay - Apr 23, 2003 5:59:53 am PDT #4008 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

SMG looks that I just can't believe in whatever it is she's doing (mostly a me thing, and possibly a fight-scene direction thing).

I can understand that. I don't find it distracting in SMG's case, personally, but knowing that Charisma was pregnant I found myself watching AtS and cringing any time she did anything remotely actiony. Even though Cordy wasn't pregnant at that point.

So, yeah.

Wrt SMG and her acting - I like Buffy well enough, but for me the engagement has always been with the show as an ensemble piece. Totally. Ditto for AtS. I've taken SMG's acting for granted and not really thought 'Hey, that's good/bad/indifferent' until the few occasions when she ripped out my still beating heart and I was all "Good grief! You're doing all this on purpose! Wow!"

Er. If that makes any sense? I thought that her Faith impression was fabulous. And, of course, there's The Body. In which everyone just combined to make me weep like a baby.


Jim - Apr 23, 2003 6:07:09 am PDT #4009 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

She was stunning as Fuffy. And it's her little reactions and line deliveries I like so much. Although not as adorable, I think she's a far better actress than Allyson Hannigan.


Fiona - Apr 23, 2003 6:09:15 am PDT #4010 of 9843

Oh, I don't have any problem at all with the way Buffy - or indeed most of the characters - have developed over the years. It's a perfectly believable progression, made even more so by the acting, which I also cannot fault.

I just had a little "a-ha" moment when I realised I don't think I particularly like SMG. However, as I mentioned before, it is really hard to separate SMG from Buffy, who I do like. But one way to try is to imagine another actress in the role. It's difficult, but interesting.

Katie Holmes would have been good, I think. (I've never watched DC, I hasten to add). Can't imagine her as a blonde, though. Would Buffy have to be blonde?


Jim - Apr 23, 2003 6:12:45 am PDT #4011 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

I love Katie Holmes, but Buffy needed to be ditzier than she can do for the initial premise to work. Katie Holmes can't do airhead. SMG does airhead better than anyone working today - CF the Buffybot eps.


Leigh - Apr 23, 2003 6:17:23 am PDT #4012 of 9843
Nobody

I think that Buffy's development has been very logical, but that doesn't mean it's been as fun to watch.

Yeah, I've have my moments of sheer impatience or boredom with Buffy over the past three seasons, and obviously uptight!Buffy isn't as fun to watch as she used to be, but I honestly don't know how you'd tell the story of Buffy which the writer's wanted to tell and have Buffy be that fun-to-watch girl the whole way through.

I don't mind the trade-off between quirky fun for a character journey, but that's just because I like this particular journey (and I must admit, I like it a lot better with hindsight than when I was sitting through it). *shrug* It's like entertainment versus overall meaning - in some cases you have to sacrifice some of the former to fully develop the latter. And sometimes you can go too far *coughSixFeetUndercough* - a lot of people obviously feel this way about Buffy. I waver, but I think ultimately the respect I have for her now outweighs my nostalgia.

Edited because I still suck with the typos.


Cindy - Apr 23, 2003 6:20:16 am PDT #4013 of 9843
Nobody

Most of my problems with BtVS and Buffy herself (and the other characters, too) has seemed to me to do with continuity, characterization and execution, rather than acting. On the few occasions where I've even thought about SMGs acting while watching (which I think points to her being (to me) a good actor), it's been during scenes that didn't ring true because of their content, more than because of the acting.

Does that make sense to anyone who isn't me?


Leigh - Apr 23, 2003 6:36:59 am PDT #4014 of 9843
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I'm meara-ing like crazy here, so bear with me.

Does that make sense to anyone who isn't me?

Yep. I agree, tho' sometimes I listen to the words of a Spuffy scene and I think they should *sound* less fake than they do, but maybe its just my prejudice talking :) .

Wrt SMG and her acting - I like Buffy well enough, but for me the engagement has always been with the show as an ensemble piece. Totally. Ditto for AtS. I've taken SMG's acting for granted...

Hmm, sometimes I can't decide whether I watch BtVS/Ats for the ensemble or for the leads. I mean I don't think I'd watch BtVS without Buffy herself, or Ats without Angel, but I also feel that way about almost all of the core cast members of either show. (Like Willow & Xander, or...hmm, only Wesley seems to fit that category on Ats for me, I wonder why? *lick*)

But Kingston's one of the more medium-density suburbs of Canberra (lots of apartment blocks, a number of relatively upscale ones too). Yet Manuka, just down the road, is doing quite nicely for weekend dining.

Heh, I suspect corporate facism then - wait, do we have corporate facism in Canberra, or do we just get politicians? I hardly think it's fair if we have both.

Should I mentinon that Bec grew up in Bega?

I lurrve Bega, my family has a house on the coast at Merimbula, so we drive through often. Almost England-y with the rolling hills and all - though last time it was more of a sepia-tinted England because of the drought.


candyb - Apr 23, 2003 6:37:17 am PDT #4015 of 9843

Makes sense to me Cindy because I agree.

I think that Buffy's development has been very logical, but that doesn't mean it's been as fun to watch.

Yes to this, but also I just don't think Buffy has been written very well lately.


Lady O' Spain - Apr 23, 2003 7:30:15 am PDT #4016 of 9843
Red hair and black leather--my favorite color scheme.

Yes to this, but also I just don't think Buffy has been written very well lately.

Yeah, that's part of it too--I find myself watching and thinking, "I see what they're doing here, and it makes sense, but I wonder if it couldn't have been done better." The show doesn't seem as tightly put together as it did up through season 4. Maybe because Joss has been elsewhere a lot? Or have the characters just evolved to a place where the writers are haveing trouble writing as well for them?