Mal: Take your people and go. Captain: You would have done the same. Mal: We can already see I haven't.

'Out Of Gas'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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deborah grabien - Apr 21, 2003 12:37:25 am PDT #3815 of 9843
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Angus, true, and she didn't used to leave me blinking nearly so much. As I say, it's much more in the past two years or so.


P.M. Marc - Apr 21, 2003 12:39:16 am PDT #3816 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Deb, it's the whole power centre theory re: JM.

I blame the stinking thing for damned near everything I can't manage to pin on Julianne Moore.


brenda m - Apr 21, 2003 12:42:35 am PDT #3817 of 9843
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Angus, true, and she didn't used to leave me blinking nearly so much. As I say, it's much more in the past two years or so.

Yeah, there was a time when I looked forward to a new Millman column on Buffyverse stuff. And even now, I have to give her credit for being one of the only 'name' critics out there who regularly brings up Jossy stuff.

I'm thinking I'll skip this latest bit, though.


Angus G - Apr 21, 2003 12:54:01 am PDT #3818 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Yes, I agree that her opinions about Buffy meshed less and less with mine over time. Still, I'll always be grateful to her for turning me on to Buffy in the first place, and also for seeing through some critically lauded shows that I hated.

(By "seeing through," I obviously mean nothing more than that she shared my dislike of them, and I can't actually remember what shows they were. I think the name of Sorkin might have been involved with one or two of them.)


Fiona - Apr 21, 2003 2:26:36 am PDT #3819 of 9843

Still, without Joyce, we might not be here today, historical-critical-mass-wise. Because lots of us found Buffistas at TT through following the links from her Salon columns.

I am one.

I've been on a Buffyfest this weekend. I've watched 7 episodes since Thursday ("Sleeper" through "First Date"), and am gearing myself up for two more this afternoon. I've got a streaming cold, so lying on the sofa being distracted is just what the doctor ordered.

I'm enjoying Buffy much more again at the moment. In fact I think, for me, it may be the best season since 3.

Oh, and [whitefont] Andrew really used to get up my nose, but I've actually come to like him a lot these past few eps. So does the Jossverse mess with your opinion of the characters you love to hate.


Betsy HP - Apr 21, 2003 9:37:44 am PDT #3820 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

Elvis Mitchell namechecks Buffy constantly, and he gets the show.


erikaj - Apr 21, 2003 10:30:18 am PDT #3821 of 9843
Always Anti-fascist!

I'm with Angus and Fiona. Her columns inspired me to watch Buffy initially.


deborah grabien - Apr 21, 2003 10:39:30 am PDT #3822 of 9843
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Who was the guy in the US mag "TV Guide", who does the weekly column? He was a stone mad Buffy-fan.

Nic and I have watched Buffy since the first ep, so I found Millman and the press take on the show well after the fact; we'd loved the movie and as soon as we saw it was Joss Whedon, we hunkered down from the premiere on.


Dana - Apr 21, 2003 10:40:27 am PDT #3823 of 9843
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Matt Roush, I think.


deborah grabien - Apr 21, 2003 10:42:40 am PDT #3824 of 9843
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Yes! The Roush Report. He relentlessly plugged Buffy. Warmed my heart.