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'Out Of Gas'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Betsy HP - Apr 20, 2003 8:41:40 am PDT #3804 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

I keep thinking you could submit it to the 1970s New Yorker. And that really doesn't help, does it?


Julie - Apr 20, 2003 4:43:46 pm PDT #3805 of 9843

What did you think of the Millman article linked in NAFDA?

I'll answer, moonlit, because, yeah, I wouldn't want to finish these exam papers and go out into the daylight or anything :)

and because the small font confuses me, but I think it's probably best not to mention that

I ranted about it at another place. erm.. the article that is, not the small font :)

Joyce Millman needs to stop writing for children!!!

Or, like the bam says, how she became the public advocate for Buffy astounds me! (I think he may have just grrrrrrrr'd)

Specifically (and point by excruciating point!)

"On "Buffy," women rule the world and men are largely watchers"

Or there's the whole school of Slayer as tool, & Get it done spoiler [ "tie her up, rape some power into her and set her on the demons" as a method of empowerment ] thoughts

"I'd feel cheated if the Xan Man wasn't the unsung hero, again, in the finale."

She calls him the (shudder) Xan Man. That's seven flavours of wrong.

"Like its strength, the gang's weakness is greater than the sum of its parts."

Apparently she thinks she's recapping Season Four.

"But now I see that the show is not about our heroine growing up as much as it's about the other characters' maturing enough to let her go."

This is why there should be smilies on the board. Insert the vomit one t here

"The logical end to the saga is for Buffy to get back to Paradise."

Isn't that what we all hope the end to be? And how, exactly, is something predicated on our sense of morality and spirituality, a "logical" solution to anything?

Re: Spike - "But Buffy has yet to tell him she loves him."

Bring on the vomit smilie some more. And then explain to me how a) Spike's worth that and b) that's any consolation to him. That's he's worthy of love? Perhaps. But that he gets it? um.. No! (And cue Minnie Driver "you don't get to have me" voice)

"I want to see Buffy give Spike the moment of happiness he's earned."

She's not talking at the end of a wooden stake is she? Dammit.

And this?

I'm too traumatised to even discuss this..

"I want Buffy to die and become an immortal god(dess) who rights the balance of good and evil in the universe. I want Spike to die and be reborn as a human (and therefore available for a possible spinoff)."

Suffice to say, I don't think so, Joyce.

let's take this HTML laden puppy out for a spin


UTTAD - Apr 20, 2003 4:49:56 pm PDT #3806 of 9843
Strawberry disappointment.

I particularly liked the Buffy dying and becoming a goddess. It's not really what the show was about is it? Or in other words it's the exact opposite of what the show was all about.


Betsy HP - Apr 20, 2003 4:51:36 pm PDT #3807 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

Buffy dying and becoming a goddess.

Because that's always turned out so well in the Buffyverse...


P.M. Marc - Apr 20, 2003 6:22:49 pm PDT #3808 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Joyce Millman needs to stop, period.

Drives me batty with the inane babble, she does.


bon bon - Apr 20, 2003 7:10:47 pm PDT #3809 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

PMM, are you still bitter like I am about the Newsradio semi-diss?


P.M. Marc - Apr 20, 2003 7:12:18 pm PDT #3810 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Hell-freaking-yes.

Damn it.


bon bon - Apr 20, 2003 7:14:16 pm PDT #3811 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Yeah, exactly. I'm sure she's a very nice lady. Who is only competent as a discriminating television viewer.


erikaj - Apr 20, 2003 8:12:25 pm PDT #3812 of 9843
Always Anti-fascist!

Sometimes I like Joyce Millman. Sometimes I wonder if we are watching the same things.


deborah grabien - Apr 20, 2003 9:44:33 pm PDT #3813 of 9843
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Joyce Millman needs to stop, period.

Yes please. Because recently? She leaves me blinking, and saying rude things.