You're talking Avengers the series, right? Because that could cause moments of indecision. But no, you made the right choice. The only choice. (Which Coupling ep?)

The series. Black and white (I think we're still on the last DVD of 1965, but we could be up to 1966).

Umm. The one with the bisexual girl, the bathroom with no lock, and the pizza.

Umm. The one with the bisexual girl, the bathroom with no lock, and the pizza.

Right. Not a bad one, that, though they've done the schtick before (the one with Steve trying to justify the plot of Lesbian Spank Inferno).

There's a plot to Lesbian Spank Inferno? Huh, who knew? I'll have to watch it again.

There's a plot to Lesbian Spank Inferno? Huh, who knew? I'll have to watch it again.

Hee. Thence cometh the humour.

"But why does the loser want to be spanked?"
"I... think she feels quite badly about her film."

OK - a different kind of phone porn. (Warning - does involve as much actual porn as the Register is capable of.)

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x-posted from natter.

(half-Brit climbing quietly out of the back row for a minute or three)

I loves me some Fay. I'm anti in practice, but there's this: I lost a cousin to Charles Manson, not one of his murder victims, but an unbalanced girl who killed herself when he dropped her and moved on. He's incredibly charismatic, a great converter and persuader. So, part of my deal with the death penalty is the question of reality, and it comes purely from a personal thing about Manson.

So my imagined convo goes like this: look, Chuckie, you're a rogue. You know it. We know it. You're a predator. You have one stated purpose for being alive: promoting and committing violent death. So, we can shove you in a box and feed you, and you'll find ways, in the modern age, to do the predator thing, via computer, via the non-lifers you hang around with and corrupt, via visitors. Someone may even be stupid enough to let you out someday. What do we do about you?

It's a damned tricky question, and one for which I know I haven't got any easy answers.

Other issue, purely for me, is responsibility, taking thereof. If you're an adult member of the human race, you've had time, hopefully, to learn that every action has a reaction. So, surely, the same is true for right and responsibility? If you indulge in an act of conscience, you oughtn't to be able to wriggle out of taking responsibility for the results of that act. And if you choose to murder your pregnant wife and dump her body in San Francisco Bay? Be prepared to deal with the probable results, especially if you knew what they were when you picked up the weapon in the first place.

OK. End of that annoyingly pompous rant.

This?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I loves me some Typo Boy, and I think I'd go one step father: not even one wrong makes a right. My enjoying watching the Saddam statue topple does not make sending tanks into someone else's country without provocation just cause. And I'm trying to convert or convince absolutely no one; that's an opinion, pure and simple, and it was formed after two-plus decades of experience living and working on three continents. So I think the ends don't justify the means, especially in this instance, where the means are pretty damned suspect, since I don't believe for one moment that George Bush or Dick Cheney give a damn about the Kurds.

More pompous ranting, end of.

Who doesn't like Nigel Havers? Why not?

(back into back row, with popcorn)

IRN ...

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edit: er, related to Typo Boy's post.

edit again: to say, the Register story is a joke and the other one, AFAIK, isn't. Scary. Scarier.

Umm. The one with the bisexual girl, the bathroom with no lock, and the pizza.

...and I was blinking, and reviewing the black'n'white eps of The Avengers that I've seen, and wondering whether it was a Diana Rigg one or an Honour Blackman one, and being surprised that they had pizza or mentions of people's sexuality. And then you mentioned Lesbian Spank Inferno, and the penny belatedly dropped.

I do love Geoff. (?Jeff? Geoff? Hell, I should know this. Bad Fay. No biscuit.)

Fay - I'd add another reasons for being against the death penalty.

We should not kill people, even dangerous horrible people, when we have a reasonable alternative. It is one thing to kill in self-defense; it is quite another to kill someone you already have safely locked up. Not so much for what it does to them as for what it does to you.

Gar, I totally respect your beliefs on this, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. I don't entirely see that this is the same as advocating torture, because I'm not coming at it from a "punish the bastard, make them suffer" point of view, regardless of how heinous the crime is. And heaven knows I can think of precious few instances where I'd feel it was merited. But, for me I think I could live with a death penalty under the never-to-be-attained circumstances I've outlined. Because there are some crimes that I consider beyond the pale, and if someone has consciously decided to commit them, in the knowledge that SocietyRunByOmniscientAndOmnipotentFay punishes those crimes with the death penalty, then they've made a choice and they're no longer entitled to the protection of OmniscientAndOmnipotentFay'sSociety.

Um. I sound like I'm trying to convince you, and that isn't my intent. I respect your stance on this, and it speaks well of you. But it isn't a position that I presently hold myself, and I have thought it through quite a bit to reach this conclusion. It may well be that, as my experience of life increases blah blah blah I will change my views, but this is where I'm at now.

Scary. Scarier.

You know, I was rather hoping for a minute they had a cottage industry going.....

(blowing kisses at Fay) Hullo, sweetie.

waves

Secret message to Deb: I'm re-reading your Emma Peel story just now, and loving it even more. Damn, you're good.