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All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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CaBil - Nov 11, 2002 2:24:53 pm PST #339 of 9843
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

OK so, if even people inside the organisation haven't made that mental leap to website-as-thing-in-itself, what is it that one needs to do to communicate it to the public?

All I can suggest is bite the bullet and seperate the info/content aspects of the website from the brochure aspect.

As long as they exist under the same roof, so to speak, you will have problems.

Google and Ebay work because their brand was established on the Internet.

Which means you have change from being the ABC website to being a ABC company providing news and other services (that just happens to be a website).

Maybe add an additional front page. With the logo in the center, and going left for corporate information, going right for the news/info stuff. And offering to give people a cookie to make sure that they don't have to do that again.

Also, have you every thought of 'programming' a website?

Website only content, saying to the effect, this week we will feature articles on topic X, and every day at the same time.

Or as the evening news finishes, changing the front page for a half hour afterwards with extended articles based on the news of the night...


Angus G - Nov 12, 2002 4:54:56 am PST #340 of 9843
Roguish Laird

The only thing glaringly wrong with the "We are a Public media empire" is the word "Empire". I don't think that term would go down so well!

Absolutely...it wasn't so long ago that we were actually part of someone else's empire. Some people think we still are. (The American one, that is. And lately I'm beginning to suspect they're right.)

Also, I don't think you necessarily need a one-sentence summary of what the ABC does; 99% of your user base will already know that; what's needed is a one-sentence summary of what ABC online does, and the fact that it's a lot more than "loads of info on your favourite shows". Still working on that one...

John, just looking at the front page, the "five second test" tells me it's basically a news portal...is that intentional?

t edit On second thoughts, feel free not to respond if you're sick of talking about work! Sorry to bring it up...feel free to harangue me about the crapness of academia any time...


Noumenon - Nov 12, 2002 9:32:42 am PST #341 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

It continues to be newsy if you click on, like, the Education->Finance/Economics link. The results are subsites for different shows that feature transcripts of things that aired, and sometimes articles.


Jim - Nov 12, 2002 1:27:11 pm PST #342 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

John - nice site. It's an interesting problem - this is why the BBC (who are in much the same space as you, eh?) defined their web presence as "BBCi" - as in BBC1, 2, 3, 4. It then becomes a serious part of the strategy, a channel in its own right.

Rebecca - you shouldn't have a sitemap because you shouldn't need one - the nav should make the structure of the site obvious on every page. And section titles should be selfexplanatory, so you know where to look.


Rebecca Lizard - Nov 12, 2002 1:30:04 pm PST #343 of 9843
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Cool.


Jim - Nov 12, 2002 1:37:39 pm PST #344 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

How do you do fake tags - that message should have ended (/Nielsen). It's a nice idea, but only works for some sites. Incidentally, John, in similar circumstances, I've found that bureaucrats are happier being told about the primacy of the web by expensive consultants - it scares them and they agree!


amych - Nov 12, 2002 1:43:21 pm PST #345 of 9843
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Jim, try

t /Neilsen

at the beginning of a line.


John H - Nov 12, 2002 2:44:35 pm PST #346 of 9843

The mnemonic for that is "t is for tag", by the way.

I hereby declare a moratorium, if that's OK with everyone, on talking about the Big Questions Being Talked About At My (our) Work. Thank you all for your input.


meara - Nov 12, 2002 2:57:35 pm PST #347 of 9843

you shouldn't have a sitemap because you shouldn't need one

AH! I can get behind "you shouldn't NEED a sitemap". Just saying "You shouldn't have a sitemap" is a little bad and freakish to my ears, though.

I am amused by all the plotting for John and plasmo's company. I think we should charge a buffista group-mind consultant fee. We could rake in the dough--imagine all the stuff we could consult on! Of course, in John's case, it would be in Australian dollars.... t /mean taunting about non-American money


Betsy HP - Nov 12, 2002 2:57:40 pm PST #348 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

you shouldn't need one - the nav should make the structure of the site obvious on every page.

Hah. Hah. Also, it's amazing how seldom sitemaps are up to date.