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All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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§ ita § - Apr 01, 2003 10:24:59 am PST #2914 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

African Americans were around 1868

But there's a whole lot of Jim Crow tied up around this.

Which I don't have the details on, US history being a weak point of mine.


Nutty - Apr 01, 2003 10:25:55 am PST #2915 of 9843
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Although practically speaking, it was both earlier and later than Hil's dates, because individual states gave rights at different times (northeastern states gave the right to non-whites earlier, and poineer states in the west were all about the women's vote), but practice and tradition made for "Oh yeah, it's technically legal, but no way you actually get to do it" situations in many parts of the country for a long time.


Hil R. - Apr 01, 2003 10:26:35 am PST #2916 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

1868?

I just checked. It was the 15th amendment, which was ratified in 1870.


Betsy HP - Apr 01, 2003 10:26:55 am PST #2917 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

Wasn't there some country (GB, maybe?) which gave voting rights to WWI war widows, then extended them to all women?


Jon B. - Apr 01, 2003 10:27:26 am PST #2918 of 9843
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I believe the vote was extended to African Americans via the 15th amendment to the constitution, ratified in 1870.

t edit x-post with Hil. And what Nutty said.


sarameg - Apr 01, 2003 10:28:14 am PST #2919 of 9843

moonlit, yes, it is here

Universal male suffrage was 15th Amendment, 1870, but...

Women, formally by the 19th Amendment in August 18, 1920. Some states had it earlier.


Jesse - Apr 01, 2003 10:31:18 am PST #2920 of 9843
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

All of the above is why the whole world should fit between Boston and New York. If you can't get to it in 4 hours and/or on an interconnected set of train and public transity systems, why bother??

I like how you think.


moonlit - Apr 01, 2003 10:33:05 am PST #2921 of 9843
"When the world's run by fools it's the duty of intelligence to disobey." Martin Firrell

Australian Aboriginals didn't get the vote until 1967.


bon bon - Apr 01, 2003 10:33:46 am PST #2922 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

All of the above is why the whole world should fit between Boston and New York. If you can't get to it in 4 hours and/or on an interconnected set of train and public transity systems, why bother??

That's the other thing with the size of the U.S. I cannot get my head around getting between New York and DC-- the northeast and the virtual south, so historically divided-- in less than six hours. LA is the closest city to Phoenix and you still have to drive for six hours! There are almost no interstate trips between metropolises west of the Midwest that are shorter than that. There should be six hours between cities! You shouldn't be able to look out your office and see New Jersey!


brenda m - Apr 01, 2003 10:35:03 am PST #2923 of 9843
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

All of the above is why the whole world should fit between Boston and New York. If you can't get to it in 4 hours and/or on an interconnected set of train and public transity systems, why bother??

It is kind of neat to go down into the metro in DC and emerge a few hours later in New York.