You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy.

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All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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brenda m - Apr 01, 2003 10:35:03 am PST #2923 of 9843
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

All of the above is why the whole world should fit between Boston and New York. If you can't get to it in 4 hours and/or on an interconnected set of train and public transity systems, why bother??

It is kind of neat to go down into the metro in DC and emerge a few hours later in New York.


Typo Boy - Apr 01, 2003 10:40:40 am PST #2924 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

However, Jim Crow laws managed to take away voting rights from most blacks in the South until the early sixties. That is also when the legal apartheid system known as "Jim Crow" finally ended. Until the early sixties there were states where Black peple could not vote, could not enter most shops or resteraunts, had to ride different classes of accomoadation on public transport, had to go miles out of their way compared to whites to find a restromm they could use. Could be jailed for marrying or dating whites (not to mention the real dangers of execution in public lynchings-, though I believe that mostly ended in the fifties). I do know that until Truman, the armed forces of the U.S. were segregated, and black soldiers assigned to worse assignments. Legal equality between blacks and whites in the U.S. is a comparatively recent phenomena. I bring this up here, because I knew several French people in the eighties whom this came as a surprise to, so the thought occurs to me that there might be UnAmericans posting who don't know it. The U.S. South in the 50s (and before of course) was very much like Apartheid South Africa.


Hil R. - Apr 01, 2003 10:47:02 am PST #2925 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

There's a fraternity (KA) on my campus which is the Southern fraternity. Honorary president is Jefferson Davis. Each year, their big party is the KA Ball, when the symbolically "secede" from the campus, and all the guys dress in Confederate uniforms and their girlfriends get Scarlet O'Hara dresses. A few years ago, they got in some trouble with the university because they paid some black kids a few dollars to pretend to pick cotton on the lawn of their house. The compromise reached after that was that they could continue to have the ball (the university didn't want to alienate alumni), but they're not allowed on campus in their uniforms. (They don't obey this at all.)


Nutty - Apr 01, 2003 10:49:12 am PST #2926 of 9843
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Without the Official Secret Police. (They were unofficial, although, during their day jobs, some of them were police.) So, yeah.

You shouldn't be able to look out your office and see New Jersey!

Well, the Northeast Corridor is so named for a reason. And I like the idea that, until Virginia, you can't come across any territory that isn't incorporated into one town or another. The big empty spaces in the west freak me out.

Never more than 5 miles from a Dunkin Donuts, yo.


Betsy HP - Apr 01, 2003 10:50:10 am PST #2927 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

Never more than 5 miles from a taquería, yo.


Tom Scola - Apr 01, 2003 10:51:32 am PST #2928 of 9843
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

(Looks out of office. Waves to New Jersey)


Jesse - Apr 01, 2003 10:53:01 am PST #2929 of 9843
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Well, the Northeast Corridor is so named for a reason. And I like the idea that, until Virginia, you can't come across any territory that isn't incorporated into one town or another.

The Boswash megalopolis!!

Sorry, got a little excited there for a minute.


Hayden - Apr 01, 2003 10:53:42 am PST #2930 of 9843
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I was going to make the same point about Jim Crow laws, Typo Boy.


Betsy HP - Apr 01, 2003 10:54:40 am PST #2931 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

I do love the word "megalopolis". It rolls off the tongue. It ought to be a kind of ice cream. Sort of like tutti frutti, but with more mix-ins.


Zoe Ann - Apr 01, 2003 11:13:24 am PST #2932 of 9843
Mathair & Athair beo.

I spent a long part of my childhood thinking that Britain was vast, because it took days to get from here to there. (You know, I knew they were riding horses, but somehow I assumed that horses and cars went the same speed.) I was very disappointed when I discovered that the English and the Scots had been fighting over a football-field's worth of territory for several hundred years. I mean, for crying out loud.

Bwah!
If it’s any consolation most of us grow up thinking the same thing and there are grown adults, educated grown adults I have met who still believe that the world revolves around the South of England.

British geography and dialects etc all evolved from walking distances. 10 miles in a day is a fair days walk and defines the radius of most local and dialect boundries.
By this definition Edinburgh and London are actually in different worlds.

It’s fascinating to read about travelling in the US. The distances are mind-boggling.