Very convincing. Makes me completely want to put myself under government control. Please take me to where you can make me unconscious and naked.

Riley ,'Help'


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amych - Apr 01, 2003 10:22:03 am PST #2910 of 9843
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

And what, she said plaintively, is the meaning of 'diachronic'?

Happening, or perceived to happen, over a period of time; "synchronic" is simultaneous. In the litcritty world where I learned the terms, narrative is diachronic -- you can't help but start, and go on, and end; visual art is synchronic -- you can see it all at once.

(and, weirdly, I spent a long time searching my mind for those two words the other day and couldn't find them)


Betsy HP - Apr 01, 2003 10:22:15 am PST #2911 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

If you can't get to it in 4 hours and/or on an interconnected set of train and public transity systems, why bother??

Because otherwise gardening would be really boring. Microclimates! Macroclimates! Gooooo team!


Hil R. - Apr 01, 2003 10:23:00 am PST #2912 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

What year did African Americans get the vote and what year did women?

I can't remember exact dates, but African Americans were around 1868 and women were around 1920.


moonlit - Apr 01, 2003 10:24:09 am PST #2913 of 9843
"When the world's run by fools it's the duty of intelligence to disobey." Martin Firrell

1868? Sorry hit post too fast.

Was it really that early? Wow.


§ ita § - Apr 01, 2003 10:24:59 am PST #2914 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

African Americans were around 1868

But there's a whole lot of Jim Crow tied up around this.

Which I don't have the details on, US history being a weak point of mine.


Nutty - Apr 01, 2003 10:25:55 am PST #2915 of 9843
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Although practically speaking, it was both earlier and later than Hil's dates, because individual states gave rights at different times (northeastern states gave the right to non-whites earlier, and poineer states in the west were all about the women's vote), but practice and tradition made for "Oh yeah, it's technically legal, but no way you actually get to do it" situations in many parts of the country for a long time.


Hil R. - Apr 01, 2003 10:26:35 am PST #2916 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

1868?

I just checked. It was the 15th amendment, which was ratified in 1870.


Betsy HP - Apr 01, 2003 10:26:55 am PST #2917 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

Wasn't there some country (GB, maybe?) which gave voting rights to WWI war widows, then extended them to all women?


Jon B. - Apr 01, 2003 10:27:26 am PST #2918 of 9843
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I believe the vote was extended to African Americans via the 15th amendment to the constitution, ratified in 1870.

t edit x-post with Hil. And what Nutty said.


sarameg - Apr 01, 2003 10:28:14 am PST #2919 of 9843

moonlit, yes, it is here

Universal male suffrage was 15th Amendment, 1870, but...

Women, formally by the 19th Amendment in August 18, 1920. Some states had it earlier.