And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD.

Buffy ,'Sleeper'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

Discussion of episodes currently airing in Un-American locations (anything that's aired in Australia is fair game), as well as anything else the Un-Americans feel like talking about or we feel like asking them. Please use the show discussion threads for any current-season discussion.

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evil jimi - Feb 02, 2003 9:39:10 pm PST #1634 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Didn't Coca Cola trademark the shape of their bottle?

Better you should ask, didn't Coca Cola forget to renew that trademark and are now fighting to win it back from the person who inadvertantly gained the rights to it? :)


Rebecca Lizard - Feb 02, 2003 9:39:31 pm PST #1635 of 9843
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Shawn is so. goddamn. cool.

OK-- now I am just being argumentative, but isn't the primary "myth" or "trope" or what have you that Buffy sprang from NOT the vampire myth, but rather the horror movie cliche that the young pretty girl will get killed by the monster? But turned on its head? A youngish cliche to be sure, but I think the vampires were just sort of convenient.

[...]

What I find rather interesting is that the myth of vampires in the Buffyverse is the same as the real vampires in the Buffyverse. The bumpy face, etc. Until Tabula Rasa, I thought their myth would be more like our (white face, cape, turns into a bat, walk around with fangs).

I'm just wroding Sophia tonight. I know this has nothing to do with the original subject, but I think they're beautiful points.

Pull out! Pull out! You've struck cartilage!
(far side)

Nou, I think you broke me.

[something that's already been addressed but I'm saying my response anyway because I'm just like that!:]

I guess I have a problem with a foreign company challenging the right of an actual McDonald highlander to use their clan name.

Well, dude, I think that a lot of Americans would have trouble with that too. And I also think it's an issue the Buffistas have no control over. Big corporations. We don't run them! And so I'm having a slight amount of trouble seeing how this has anything to do with why our having the name "UnAmericans" is bad.

I mean, I don't really like the title "Bitches", I'll admit right now. But that's my personal, private bias; and I've got no right to go tell the people who have been Bitches for years that they ought to change it because I don't like it, or because some other, new, people might be offended by it. It's just not my place at all.


Angus G - Feb 02, 2003 9:39:55 pm PST #1636 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Didn't Coca Cola trademark the shape of their bottle?

They also trademarked the "Dynamic Ribbon Design". Doesn't anyone else read the small print on drink containers?


bon bon - Feb 02, 2003 9:40:12 pm PST #1637 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'm sure they trademarked that particular shape. One of the more ridiculous cases I ever came across was the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Museum trying to trademark the shape of their museum and preventing people from thereby selling pictures of the museum. I mean, it IS distinctive, but not for THAT purpose. They lost, thankfully.


Angus G - Feb 02, 2003 9:43:00 pm PST #1638 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Just a suggestion: I think the point about our undying love for the term "Unamericans" has been well and truly made by now.


evil jimi - Feb 02, 2003 9:43:26 pm PST #1639 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

billytea ... thanks for that info. When I first heard about that "movie" it was in a documentary about the history of Aussie cinema. Sounds as though they painted it (pardon the pun :) as being more than it was in reality.

Oh and for info on that Coca Cola trademark fight, check out, [link] for the full, long, continuing story.


bon bon - Feb 02, 2003 9:47:27 pm PST #1640 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

BTW, that Coke bottle thing is about copyright-- artistic creation-- not trademark. Coke will never lose the trademark on that bottle; they'd have to stop using it for many, many, many years.


billytea - Feb 02, 2003 9:55:26 pm PST #1641 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

billytea ... thanks for that info. When I first heard about that "movie" it was in a documentary about the history of Aussie cinema. Sounds as though they painted it (pardon the pun :) as being more than it was in reality.

That's possible, though I'd say from the article that it certainly deserved to be in such a documentary. It was quite possibly a first of another description.


§ ita § - Feb 02, 2003 9:56:59 pm PST #1642 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

that Coke bottle thing is about copyright-- artistic creation-- not trademark

Can a logo be an artistic creation too?


evil jimi - Feb 02, 2003 9:57:42 pm PST #1643 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

BTW, that Coke bottle thing is about copyright-- artistic creation-- not trademark. Coke will never lose the trademark on that bottle; they'd have to stop using it for many, many, many years.

True, they never lost the trademark to the actual specifically shaped bottle but they did lose the copyright on the image of said specifically shaped bottle, thus losing the right -- according to that story -- to feature it on the cans and other packaging. Not an insignificant thing to happen.