Lorne: You know what they say about people who need people. Connor: They're the luckiest people in the world. Lorne: You been sneaking peeks at my Streisand collection again, Kiddo? Connor: Just kinda popped out.

'Time Bomb'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Jesse - Feb 02, 2003 7:27:39 pm PST #1560 of 9843
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Shawn, the "Freedom of Expression" thing was on On The Media this week. It's not online yet, but here's the blurb:

Illegal Art

AT&T used the phrase “Freedom of Expression” as a slogan in a print ad campaign and in doing so gave Kembrew McLeod an opportunity he couldn’t pass up. Asserting that readers might link the AT&T campaign to his long running anti-corporate publication called “Freedom of Expression”, McCloud sent a “cease and desist” letter to AT&T. He has the phrase trademarked, and his trademark certificate is part of an art exhibit called, “Illegal Art: Freedom of Expression in the Corporate Age”. Kembrew McLeod joins Brooke to discuss the art exhibit that may prove that artists can still make good use of fair use.


brenda m - Feb 02, 2003 7:28:49 pm PST #1561 of 9843
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

The fate of any one pizza company is of so little importance to me that it is impossible to express just how little I care whether they make good pizzas or not.

But the fate of an oil company touches your heart?


bon bon - Feb 02, 2003 7:29:55 pm PST #1562 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The only valid purpose of legal protection of a trademark is to prevent confusion.

This may be your political preference, but it is not a correct representation of trademark law in this country, at least.

Any reasonable accomdation that can be allowed to let somebody else use the trademark they want, but still clearly avoid confusion should be made. And both trademark and copyright should be viewed as legal protections - not property rights.

Property rights ARE legal protections. That's all they are. They are a right to a certain legal protection.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 7:30:13 pm PST #1563 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

But the fate of an oil company touches your heart?

Not the oil company, the use of the flag. The story doesn't so much touch my heart as piss me off imensely.


Typo Boy - Feb 02, 2003 7:30:33 pm PST #1564 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK, I was premature. I thought the suit had been upheld. Apparently it is a not too gross exagerration of other cases. The suit is still pending.

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scrappy - Feb 02, 2003 7:37:22 pm PST #1565 of 9843
Nobody

Zoe, suppose you wrote a book and became and beloved famous author. You wouldn't want some person who didn't care about writing to put your name on a book to take advantage of your work and your ideas would you? That's what copyright and trademrk laws are for. To protect the creators--the people who do the actual work--whether that work is writing a book or making pizza. I think creators and innovators deserve to be protected and their work respected. Of course corporations will take advantage of the laws, but they protect individuals as well.


bon bon - Feb 02, 2003 7:37:37 pm PST #1566 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

OK, from the little I have been able to glean, it seems he has registered "freedom of expression": likely as a trademark in a certain area, like publishing a magazine. Just the way that parents has been trademarked for Parents magazine, but parents is not a trademark. It would not be upheld as protectable as against AT&T: it's not even a strong mark, and it never will be.

eta: I have not found proof of his registration, however; he merely claims it and NYT has reported it as such. I still find it less than credible that that phrase is markable, but there have been lots of registered marks that did not pass a court challenge.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 7:37:41 pm PST #1567 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

I'm all for getting stinking rich but I'm trying to remember the real rules too. Not crushing the little people is one and not making enemies of entire nation states by dissing their flag is probably another one.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 7:38:38 pm PST #1568 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

Zoe, suppose you wrote a book and became and beloved famous author. You wouldn't want some person who didn't care about writing to put your name on a book to take anbdvatage of your work and your ideas would you?

No.


Hil R. - Feb 02, 2003 7:39:40 pm PST #1569 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Zoe, do you have a link to an article about the McDonald's lawsuit? I wanted to find out what the details were, and I tried googling, but I couldn't find any good sources.