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All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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bon bon - Feb 02, 2003 7:29:55 pm PST #1562 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The only valid purpose of legal protection of a trademark is to prevent confusion.

This may be your political preference, but it is not a correct representation of trademark law in this country, at least.

Any reasonable accomdation that can be allowed to let somebody else use the trademark they want, but still clearly avoid confusion should be made. And both trademark and copyright should be viewed as legal protections - not property rights.

Property rights ARE legal protections. That's all they are. They are a right to a certain legal protection.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 7:30:13 pm PST #1563 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

But the fate of an oil company touches your heart?

Not the oil company, the use of the flag. The story doesn't so much touch my heart as piss me off imensely.


Typo Boy - Feb 02, 2003 7:30:33 pm PST #1564 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK, I was premature. I thought the suit had been upheld. Apparently it is a not too gross exagerration of other cases. The suit is still pending.

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scrappy - Feb 02, 2003 7:37:22 pm PST #1565 of 9843
Nobody

Zoe, suppose you wrote a book and became and beloved famous author. You wouldn't want some person who didn't care about writing to put your name on a book to take advantage of your work and your ideas would you? That's what copyright and trademrk laws are for. To protect the creators--the people who do the actual work--whether that work is writing a book or making pizza. I think creators and innovators deserve to be protected and their work respected. Of course corporations will take advantage of the laws, but they protect individuals as well.


bon bon - Feb 02, 2003 7:37:37 pm PST #1566 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

OK, from the little I have been able to glean, it seems he has registered "freedom of expression": likely as a trademark in a certain area, like publishing a magazine. Just the way that parents has been trademarked for Parents magazine, but parents is not a trademark. It would not be upheld as protectable as against AT&T: it's not even a strong mark, and it never will be.

eta: I have not found proof of his registration, however; he merely claims it and NYT has reported it as such. I still find it less than credible that that phrase is markable, but there have been lots of registered marks that did not pass a court challenge.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 7:37:41 pm PST #1567 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

I'm all for getting stinking rich but I'm trying to remember the real rules too. Not crushing the little people is one and not making enemies of entire nation states by dissing their flag is probably another one.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 7:38:38 pm PST #1568 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

Zoe, suppose you wrote a book and became and beloved famous author. You wouldn't want some person who didn't care about writing to put your name on a book to take anbdvatage of your work and your ideas would you?

No.


Hil R. - Feb 02, 2003 7:39:40 pm PST #1569 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Zoe, do you have a link to an article about the McDonald's lawsuit? I wanted to find out what the details were, and I tried googling, but I couldn't find any good sources.


bon bon - Feb 02, 2003 7:40:22 pm PST #1570 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Not crushing the little people is one and not making enemies of entire nation states by dissing their flag is probably another one.

yet again, I will try to make the distinction clear.

They are prevented from using the colors of the flag to sell oil in Britain.

That's all.

There's no dissing of a nation, a culture, a flag, or a heritage. Just one thing. A trademark.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 7:40:37 pm PST #1571 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

Zoe, do you have a link to an article about the McDonald's lawsuit? I wanted to find out what the details were, and I tried googling, but I couldn't find any good sources.

No, truth is my sources are hearsay and urban myth.