You know, I've saved lives. Dozens. Maybe hundreds. I reattached a girl's leg. Her whole leg. She named her hamster after me. I got a hamster. He drops a box of money, he gets a town.

Simon ,'Jaynestown'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Madrigal Costello - Dec 20, 2002 11:33:06 am PST #1077 of 9843
It's a remora, dimwit.

It depends on the version of "Chess." Most of the rewrites done by productions sacrifice the narrative, but there are some that are very good, and one or two that make it into a compelling but less predictable story.

The "Dark City" resemblance might not have been intentional. Though I like the idea of Joss trying to recreate the eerie manners of the Cenobites.

It seemed that they were working from classic nightmare fuel - the inability to scream, inability to escape by running, the relatively slow way they killed their victims - people have a couple minutes of absolute terror before their hearts were ripped out.


DavidS - Dec 20, 2002 11:34:47 am PST #1078 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm sure I've seen Joss namecheck Dark City as an influence on "Hush" in at least one interview.

Me too. In one of the print interviews around the episode. He ticked it off with Nosferatau and Mr. Burns.


John H - Dec 20, 2002 1:05:26 pm PST #1079 of 9843

I'm not saying it wasn't an influence, but it's interesting that he didn't mention it on the commentary. Or is it -- I mean those commentaries tend to sound offhand and casual and ad hoc; are they really? Do people just sit down in front of the video and chat, or do they make notes and do fifty-three takes because they fluffed a line and weren't casual-sounding enough.

Now that's what I want from my DVD extras. I want yet another version with the out-takes from the director's commentary...

Too much coffee.

Worth noting though that Dark City is yet another on the list of Cool Films Made In Sydney. I was telling my sister that the Matrix and the Star Wars movies were made here and she had no idea.


Jon B. - Dec 20, 2002 1:09:36 pm PST #1080 of 9843
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

do they make notes and do fifty-three takes because they fluffed a line and weren't casual-sounding enough.

God, I hope not. There was one commentary in the BtVS S2 set, maybe Greenwalt's(?), where it seemed like he hadn't even bothered to watch the episode before going in front of the mic.


Nutty - Dec 20, 2002 2:30:01 pm PST #1081 of 9843
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Well, and imagine if, an hour into [continuous] commentary, the talker fell out of his chair and knocked over the microphone. Would they make him start over??

I think they just mike up the talker[s], sit them in a theatre, and run the movie.


Noumenon - Dec 20, 2002 9:45:26 pm PST #1082 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

I'm sure some people are meticulous and do retakes. I've been known to take two or three runs at recording just a voice mail, and only one person is going to listen to that.

(I went back and edited this post two times, which reinforces my point.)


evil jimi - Dec 21, 2002 7:31:56 am PST #1083 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Whether Joss cited Dark City as an influence or not, it played its part. As did every other movie, or tv show, that had some villainous, shaved-headed dude dressed in black. There is something inherently dangerous/malevolent about that look.


Nilly - Dec 22, 2002 1:41:19 pm PST #1084 of 9843
Swouncing

Fiona, a late congratulations on the house! Also to Mr. Fiona and Benno.

John, what lovely pictures! I love it that you added some real explanations inside, too. I especially liked the one underneath you wrote "my wife" (not "Thuy" or anything else explanatory). You both look so happy, and Thuy is gorgeous. I'm very happy for both of you. And good luck with the house.


John H - Dec 22, 2002 1:50:44 pm PST #1085 of 9843

Thanks Nilly.

I have to say, when one hears about weddings, it's normally in the My Wedding Nighmare genre or the My Wedding Disaster genre, or, on the Ricki Lake show we watched the day before, the I Haven't Spoken To My [Sister | Mother | Best Friend | Etc] Since The Day They Ruined My Wedding! genre, so our wedding seems almost "nothing to report" in comparison, but that's a good thing, right?


billytea - Dec 22, 2002 1:51:44 pm PST #1086 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I have to say, when one hears about weddings, it's normally in the My Wedding Nighmare genre or the My Wedding Disaster genre, or, on the Ricki Lake show we watched the day before, the I Haven't Spoken To My [Sister | Mother | Best Friend | Etc] Since The Day They Ruined My Wedding! genre, so our wedding seems almost "nothing to report" in comparison, but that's a good thing, right?

The best weddings should go off with at least one hitch.

Ba dum.