Mal: Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous. Simon: Yes, I'm very proud.

'Safe'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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John H - Dec 19, 2002 8:37:04 pm PST #1071 of 9843

From a commentary transcript:

What I was going for very specifically with the Gentlemen was a Victorian kind of feel, because that was very creepy and fairy tale like. The politeness, the suits, the crazies who were like the crazies in the asylum in Dracula, the metal teeth still representing science, defeating cavities. Everything is very Victorian era, and for me that bespeaks total creepiness.

When I designed them, I was drawing from everything that had ever frightened me, including the fellow from my dream, Nosferatu, Pinhead, Mr Burns, anything that gave that creepy feeling. I wanted guys that will remind people of what scared them when they were children, and I believe what scared us when we were little children, were old people. It’s the idea of age.


meara - Dec 19, 2002 9:58:22 pm PST #1072 of 9843

most musicals aren't very much on plot. There are some exceptions like "Chess"

Dude, Chess has no more plot than any other musical! Love...er...semi-quadrangle, and political match, but...really, no more than most. Now, there are definitely some with less ("Assassins" springs to mind, as does t shudder "Cats")...


Typo Boy - Dec 19, 2002 10:07:38 pm PST #1073 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

My Fair Lady has plot - but OK based upon Pygmalion, and thus non-musical roots.

OK Sweeny Todd (Sondheim version) tons of plot. And many of the subplots are new, not from the original Sweeny Todd legend.


evil jimi - Dec 19, 2002 10:20:29 pm PST #1074 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

I finally scored a decent DVD player the other day. I did have a Voxson T172 but I got my money back b/c there was no feasible way to disable macrovision. I then bought a Magnavox MDVD-100 from Kmart (only $178) and used a CDR to flash the firmware to turn off macrovision and add a custom-made Buffy background. (The picture signal is much clearer if I run it through my VCR than the RF Modulator I also had to buy [and take back for a full refund from Dick Smith's].)

So now I've been buying Buffy DVDs to catch up on all the episodes I've missed (and which Channel 7 haven't repeated). So far I've bought the Season 1 box set and Season 2 Part 2 box set. I should have them all in the next couple of months.

I've watched a lot of TV in my time but no other show has ever made me cry -- either with joy, or sadness -- as much as Buffy the Vampire Slayer -- and I'm not the least bit ashamed to admit that. Damn you, Joss Whedon.


evil jimi - Dec 19, 2002 10:30:17 pm PST #1075 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

I also picked up the "Once More With Feeling" soundtrack CD a few weeks ago. On first listening I hated it. I felt the only worthwhile things about the release was the Chris Beck scores for "Restless", "Hush" and "The Gift". However, this was due to having heard the MP3s ripped straight from the actual episode.

Now that some time has passed and I've refrained from listening to any versions of the songs for a few weeks, I've reassessed how I feel about the CD. I understood that they had to make some changes to the songs for the CD but that didn't mean I had to like what they did. I still don't like some of those changes but now I can accept them and thus ignore them, more readily. If you haven't got it yet, it is well worth the money.


Angus G - Dec 20, 2002 7:16:37 am PST #1076 of 9843
Roguish Laird

I'm sure I've seen Joss namecheck Dark City as an influence on "Hush" in at least one interview.


Madrigal Costello - Dec 20, 2002 11:33:06 am PST #1077 of 9843
It's a remora, dimwit.

It depends on the version of "Chess." Most of the rewrites done by productions sacrifice the narrative, but there are some that are very good, and one or two that make it into a compelling but less predictable story.

The "Dark City" resemblance might not have been intentional. Though I like the idea of Joss trying to recreate the eerie manners of the Cenobites.

It seemed that they were working from classic nightmare fuel - the inability to scream, inability to escape by running, the relatively slow way they killed their victims - people have a couple minutes of absolute terror before their hearts were ripped out.


DavidS - Dec 20, 2002 11:34:47 am PST #1078 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm sure I've seen Joss namecheck Dark City as an influence on "Hush" in at least one interview.

Me too. In one of the print interviews around the episode. He ticked it off with Nosferatau and Mr. Burns.


John H - Dec 20, 2002 1:05:26 pm PST #1079 of 9843

I'm not saying it wasn't an influence, but it's interesting that he didn't mention it on the commentary. Or is it -- I mean those commentaries tend to sound offhand and casual and ad hoc; are they really? Do people just sit down in front of the video and chat, or do they make notes and do fifty-three takes because they fluffed a line and weren't casual-sounding enough.

Now that's what I want from my DVD extras. I want yet another version with the out-takes from the director's commentary...

Too much coffee.

Worth noting though that Dark City is yet another on the list of Cool Films Made In Sydney. I was telling my sister that the Matrix and the Star Wars movies were made here and she had no idea.


Jon B. - Dec 20, 2002 1:09:36 pm PST #1080 of 9843
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

do they make notes and do fifty-three takes because they fluffed a line and weren't casual-sounding enough.

God, I hope not. There was one commentary in the BtVS S2 set, maybe Greenwalt's(?), where it seemed like he hadn't even bothered to watch the episode before going in front of the mic.