Fire bad. Tree pretty.

Buffy ,'Chosen'


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DavidS - Mar 10, 2012 6:11:13 am PST #4035 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I always thought that Joss had closely modeled Buffy on Peter Parker. "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" is an abiding theme in the Buffyverse, and there is the constant conflict between her teenage soap opera of heartbreak and cheerleader tryouts played against the apocalypse of the day.

It doesn't map exactly, for the reasons ita notes. They are different characters with different motivations, but their circumstances are very similar.


SailAweigh - Mar 10, 2012 6:15:50 am PST #4036 of 5059
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

The article's point is that high school was hell for Peter Parker, and powers were his redemption.

Until you get to Chosen, and then I thought that was where it all came together for Buffy. (Don't read the comics, they undo all the good!)

Still, I can see where there is enough difference that one would appeal and the other not. It's kind of like the divides you find with Star Wars/Star Trek, or right now, Grimm/Once Upon a Time. Similar premises, but appealing to different people for different reasons.


DavidS - Mar 10, 2012 6:18:44 am PST #4037 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

RIP Moebius

He was the main reason to buy Heavy Metal back in the 70s. Well, that and lots of naked women, but mostly Moebius. I really wanted to live in his worlds.


Tom Scola - Mar 10, 2012 8:44:06 am PST #4038 of 5059
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

I'm less familiar with the Marvel side of things, but on the DC side, when you look at the new superhero characters that have been created and stuck around in the past 25 years or so, I've noticed that a) most of them are teenaged, and b) a significant number of them are the children of supervillains. Off the top of my head, I can think of:

    • Damien Wayne
    • Stephanie Brown
    • Cassandra Cain
    • the new Aqualad
    • Miss Martian
    • Conner Kent (retconned to be the child of Lex Luthor)

And a bunch more that I'm forgetting. Blue Beetle isn't the child of villains, but his scarab is evil. On the Marvel side, I am at least aware of the Runaways.

In the sixties, the teenaged superheroes were Baby Boomers, and like Spider-Man, their struggle was to live up to the example set by their Greatest Generation parents.

In the 90s and 00s, the struggle for these teenaged heroes is to live down the shameful behavior their Baby Boomer parents. I think that a lot of this is due to the explosion of divorce in the 70s and 80s.


Steph L. - Mar 10, 2012 8:51:41 am PST #4039 of 5059
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Blue Beetle isn't the child of villains, but his scarab is evil.

But it changed it's mind because of the awesome power of Jaime! (Er, I'm referring to the pre-New 52 Blue Beetle. The New 52 Blue Beetle is more unambiguously adhering to the Reach's evil overlord plans, at least for now.)


Polter-Cow - Mar 12, 2012 6:51:45 am PDT #4040 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I loved Mark Waid's run on Fantastic Four. Any other good FF stories out there?


DavidS - Mar 12, 2012 7:07:59 am PDT #4041 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Any other good FF stories out there?

You mean aside from the original Kirby/Lee which redefined super hero comics in the sixties and were the benchmark for a decade?


Polter-Cow - Mar 12, 2012 7:12:45 am PDT #4042 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yes. I shall keep my eye out for the Essential collection or something since those should be fun to read.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 12, 2012 7:49:32 am PDT #4043 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Most of the John Byrne run from #232 to 295 (I'd recommend stopping after #277 when editorial interference kicked in) is considered a classic of the title as well.


DavidS - Mar 12, 2012 8:00:10 am PDT #4044 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Yeah, I liked the John Byrne run. Better actually than his Superman reboot.