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Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

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DavidS - Jun 08, 2011 2:42:26 pm PDT #3620 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

When the Killing Joke came out, Barbara Gordon was a fairly minor character in the DC universe. Batgirl wasn't that active in the DCU at the time as I recall. In fact she was officially retired as Batgirl a couple months before Killing Joke came out. Crippling her was roughly the equivalent of knocking off Sue Dibny - a well loved and fondly remembered character.

Batgirl was a bit more iconic, though that was in part because of her appearance on the sixties TV show.

So I'd say Killing Joke totally fridged her. What happened after that was the interesting part, when Kim Yale and John Ostrander decided to explore the character and her situation of living with a disability.

You could say that they defridged (defrosted?) her character, really exploring the implications of post-injury life and what she could make of it.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2011 2:46:29 pm PDT #3621 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Basically, they fridged her and then she knocked the refrigerator door off its hinges from the inside.


DavidS - Jun 08, 2011 2:49:08 pm PDT #3622 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Basically, they fridged her and then she knocked the refrigerator door off its hinges from the inside.

A good Watsonian take on her character.

"Nobody puts Babs in a corner fridge!"


Polter-Cow - Jun 08, 2011 2:53:25 pm PDT #3623 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Has this Doyle/Watson thing been around forever? I just heard about it the other day and now everyone is using it.


DavidS - Jun 08, 2011 2:55:09 pm PDT #3624 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I just think it's an incredibly stupid narrative choice.

You're taking away serious, earned gravitas for the character and the Batfamily storyline. Same with reviving Jason Todd. He's more valuable narratively dead, as a failure for Batman.

If they want to streamline their continuity they should take the Dini-verse route and just extract the best elements, the most successful storylines and jetison the crappy ones.

Then you don't have to do backflips and stupid retcons to recover from really horrible storylines (like killing Stephanie Brown, or the way they botched Leslie's character).


DavidS - Jun 08, 2011 2:55:46 pm PDT #3625 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I just heard about it the other day and now everyone is using it.

I just heard it the other day and I put it to use immediately because it's a useful concept.


P.M. Marc - Jun 08, 2011 3:52:50 pm PDT #3626 of 5059
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Has this Doyle/Watson thing been around forever? I just heard about it the other day and now everyone is using it.

Pretty much. I've used it for a dog's age. Or longer. I dunno. Is common in my universe.


P.M. Marc - Jun 08, 2011 3:53:23 pm PDT #3627 of 5059
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Also, as a side note, I'm tired enough that reading Doyle/Watson makes me wonder how that pairing could even WORK.


DebetEsse - Jun 08, 2011 4:03:11 pm PDT #3628 of 5059
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I'd probably read it, out of curiosity.


Volans - Jun 09, 2011 7:28:57 am PDT #3629 of 5059
move out and draw fire

Every once in a while a sentence comes along that makes me wonder how long ago I would not have understood it.

This.

Has this Doyle/Watson thing been around forever? I just heard about it the other day and now everyone is using it.

And this.

You could say that they defridged (defrosted?) her character

And this...or maybe Batgirl/Barbara was fridged but Oracle isn't a fridging?

You're taking away serious, earned gravitas for the character and the Batfamily storyline.

And this.