Wow, DC's bringing in Liefield?! So 52 is definitely too many books.
Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.
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Strega - Jun 08, 2011 8:14:28 am PDT #3610 of 5059
§ ita § - Jun 08, 2011 8:57:06 am PDT #3611 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
So I just argued that Babs wasn't a fridging anymore because Oracle turned out too cool. Is that a supportable stance, you think? I mean, they might have paralysed her to get angst for the big boys, but they took an established character in her own right, and five years later, she was even cooler. So it kinda worked against what the fail they might have intended.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2011 9:07:51 am PDT #3612 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Wildcat Takes His Shirt Off and Punches People for 32 Pages would make me break my DC embargo.
Strega - Jun 08, 2011 9:15:41 am PDT #3613 of 5059
Some folks on Twitter have pointed out that making Barbara into Batgirl again puts Oracle fans in the rather awkward position of hoping that she's horribly injured.
P.M. Marc - Jun 08, 2011 11:53:39 am PDT #3614 of 5059
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
So I just argued that Babs wasn't a fridging anymore because Oracle turned out too cool. Is that a supportable stance, you think? I mean, they might have paralysed her to get angst for the big boys, but they took an established character in her own right, and five years later, she was even cooler. So it kinda worked against what the fail they might have intended.
Not really, no. That the character wound up in Suicide Squad and then basically being TEH AWESOMEST! AFTER The Killing Joke doesn't negate that she was 'fridged.
§ ita § - Jun 08, 2011 12:05:19 pm PDT #3615 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not saying she wasn't fridged. I'm saying she isn't a fridging.
Laga - Jun 08, 2011 12:41:38 pm PDT #3616 of 5059
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Every once in a while a sentence comes along that makes me wonder how long ago I would not have understood it.
P.M. Marc - Jun 08, 2011 12:52:11 pm PDT #3617 of 5059
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I'm not saying she wasn't fridged. I'm saying she isn't a fridging.
I'm not sure I think there's an applicable difference, at least not how I use/understand the term. Just because tasty beer comes from the tap, doesn't mean the product's not in a kegerator.
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Wow. Can it be Friday? Please?
I mean, I get what you're saying, and perhaps from a Watsonian perspective, I agree, but from a Doylest one, not so much.
Consuela - Jun 08, 2011 12:58:23 pm PDT #3618 of 5059
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I'm saying she isn't a fridging.
I think that the prospective character's fridge-status depends on whether what happens to her is intended to affect/punish some male character and drive him to action, or is primarily about her and her narrative.
The problem with fridging is that it turns female characters into nothing more than devices used to affect the male characters--they are tools rather than individuals.
At least, that's how I've always understood it.
§ ita § - Jun 08, 2011 2:19:46 pm PDT #3619 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The problem with fridging is that it turns female characters into nothing more than devices used to affect the male characters--they are tools rather than individuals.
But Oracle *is* an individual. She's a marvellous individual. People are hoping she gets injured again. So how can she have been turned lastingly into a mere device? I'm saying it didn't stick.