It's not like she blew me off. She just left with another guy, that's all.

Riley ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.


Polter-Cow - Mar 19, 2011 10:18:39 pm PDT #3398 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

So I just finished reading the first volume of The Batman Chronicles, which reprints all the old Batman stories, starting with Detective Comics #27, and oh man, it is so weird to read comics from seventy years ago. They were very different back then and much more obviously for children, and the narration described everything that was clearly happening in the panel, and the dialogue was completely expository and terrible.

But, as I am sure everyone knows, one of the craziest thing about reading old Batman comics is that back in the day, BATMAN KILLED DUDES ALL THE TIME. It's kind of hilarious how much Batman kills dudes. And then he's like, "A fitting end for his kind." When did the whole "Batman doesn't kill" thing become part of his character? Also, when did he actually GET a character? Because I really don't understand how this man dressed up as a bat captured the hearts and minds of all of America. He seems like a generic crimefighter who happens to dress up as a bat. And constantly uses silk rope and gas capsules. And then makes bowling puns.

The original Joker stories were pretty good, though! And they totally used them for B:TAS!

ROBIN TOTALLY KILLS DUDES TOO.

Also: why have I never heard the name Bill Finger before? It's always Bob Kane, Bob Kane, Bob Kane, so I assumed he also wrote Batman, but he only drew him. Bill Finger wrote the first issue. Which, well, like I said, it's not like the writing was anything special or gave Batman any real semblance of character. It seems like all the Batman stories I've read are essentially using Frank Miller's version of the character. It's kind of odd, really; Bob Kane is always credited as the creator of Batman, but there's no official credit for redefining Batman.


DavidS - Mar 20, 2011 7:33:56 am PDT #3399 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It seems like all the Batman stories I've read are essentially using Frank Miller's version of the character.

The Batman run by Denny O'Neil and our nutbar friend Neal Adams in the early seventies was when the character really started to be redefined from his ultra-rational, always-getting-out-of-traps sixties version. I don't know if you've gotten up to that era, which is basically Claes Oldenburg's wet dream. Batman and Robin trapped in a giant typewriter! Batman and Robin trapped in a giant pippette of doom!

And yes, the credits on the golden age heroes is subject to lots of politics and Bill Finger deserves way more credit in Batman's creation.

Though Batman was pretty clearly modeled after early pulp heroes like the Shadow and The Spider. And Superman borrows a lot from Doc Savage. Green Lantern derives from the Skylark novels by E.E. Doc Smith, etc.


Strega - Mar 21, 2011 3:26:26 pm PDT #3400 of 5059

When did the whole "Batman doesn't kill" thing become part of his character?

About two years into it:

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Polter-Cow - Mar 23, 2011 1:58:38 pm PDT #3401 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I also read the first volume of the Superman Chronicles, which is even more hilarious than the early Batman comics because Superman is SUCH A DICK. He drugs football players to take their place, he destroys oil wells to teach swindlers a lesson, he throws cars around to discourage unsafe driving, all while mocking everyone he sees. He's certainly well meaning, but oh man.

It's weird because he just goes around righting very little, normal wrongs, like unsafe driving or cruelty in a chain gang or an unfinished display for infantile paralysis. It takes a year for them to actually give him a real villain in the Ultra-Humanite, who is not a superintelligent monkey at this time.

Also, Lois REALLY HATES CLARK. It's so over-the-top and ridiculous. But she's actually pretty awesome right from the start, giving Clark fake tips so she can cover important cases that the editor didn't think a "girl" could handle and drugging him so she can meet Superman.

Superman also kills dudes, but not as frequently. And this one time when he sort of accidentally kills a dude, he's like, oh, he got what he deserved.

I enjoyed the early Batman comics more. The art's better, and the stories are more exciting. Superman's stories are almost needlessly complex for such mundane tales.

But, seriously, Superman is a dick.


Steph L. - Mar 23, 2011 2:23:28 pm PDT #3402 of 5059
I look more rad than Lutheranism

the Ultra-Humanite, who is not a superintelligent monkey at this time.

Confession: I kinda love the (current) Ultra-Humanite.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 23, 2011 6:30:10 pm PDT #3403 of 5059
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

So, I feel dirty but I broke down and bought the (pun intended) batshit-insane Neal Adams Batman Odyssey. Only got through the first issue so far, but the commentators were not wrong. This thing is whacked out to the extreme. Like David Lynch made Inland Empire about Batman instead of Laura Dern or something. That may be a compliment, actually.


Tom Scola - Mar 24, 2011 5:46:13 am PDT #3404 of 5059
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Lois Lane, girl reporter. Pitched to DC, but rejected. Ponces.


Laga - Mar 28, 2011 6:56:00 am PDT #3405 of 5059
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Zim


DavidS - Mar 28, 2011 7:40:14 am PDT #3406 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Zim

Genius! Invader Scooge is rather cute. Who would've known?

Emmett and I were just watching some Zim last night, Mortros and the waffle episode.


sj - Mar 28, 2011 1:16:14 pm PDT #3407 of 5059
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I just found out that there are new Kickass comics out if anyone is interested. The second issue comes out tomorrow.