Early: So is it still her room when it's empty? Does the room, the thing, have purpose? Or do we -- what's the word? Simon: I really can't help you. Early: The plan is to take your sister. Get the reward, which is substantial. 'Imbue.' That's the word.

'Objects In Space'


Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.


amych - Mar 18, 2011 8:40:13 am PDT #3392 of 5059
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

PLATO'S FUCKING CAVE.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 18, 2011 8:54:49 am PDT #3393 of 5059
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

In the last issue it's going to turn out he's locked up in Arkham, right?


Steph L. - Mar 18, 2011 8:55:37 am PDT #3394 of 5059
I look more rad than Lutheranism

In the last issue it's going to turn out he's locked up in Arkham, right?

No; it's going to turn out that all the readers are.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 18, 2011 9:26:52 am PDT #3395 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I am going to laugh if this turns out to be how the Joker perceives a lecture from batman.


Atropa - Mar 18, 2011 9:29:43 am PDT #3396 of 5059
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I am going to laugh if this turns out to be how the Joker perceives a lecture from batman.

I will build a shrine to the writer if that's what this turns out to be. Because that is BRILLIANT.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 18, 2011 10:25:36 am PDT #3397 of 5059
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

The dialogue alone:

"I don't give a hydroelectric dam about this flap."

"Such an octopus of a thing!"

I am going to laugh if this turns out to be how the Joker perceives a lecture from batman.

Genius.

In sad semi-related news, RIP Michael Hough.


Polter-Cow - Mar 19, 2011 10:18:39 pm PDT #3398 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

So I just finished reading the first volume of The Batman Chronicles, which reprints all the old Batman stories, starting with Detective Comics #27, and oh man, it is so weird to read comics from seventy years ago. They were very different back then and much more obviously for children, and the narration described everything that was clearly happening in the panel, and the dialogue was completely expository and terrible.

But, as I am sure everyone knows, one of the craziest thing about reading old Batman comics is that back in the day, BATMAN KILLED DUDES ALL THE TIME. It's kind of hilarious how much Batman kills dudes. And then he's like, "A fitting end for his kind." When did the whole "Batman doesn't kill" thing become part of his character? Also, when did he actually GET a character? Because I really don't understand how this man dressed up as a bat captured the hearts and minds of all of America. He seems like a generic crimefighter who happens to dress up as a bat. And constantly uses silk rope and gas capsules. And then makes bowling puns.

The original Joker stories were pretty good, though! And they totally used them for B:TAS!

ROBIN TOTALLY KILLS DUDES TOO.

Also: why have I never heard the name Bill Finger before? It's always Bob Kane, Bob Kane, Bob Kane, so I assumed he also wrote Batman, but he only drew him. Bill Finger wrote the first issue. Which, well, like I said, it's not like the writing was anything special or gave Batman any real semblance of character. It seems like all the Batman stories I've read are essentially using Frank Miller's version of the character. It's kind of odd, really; Bob Kane is always credited as the creator of Batman, but there's no official credit for redefining Batman.


DavidS - Mar 20, 2011 7:33:56 am PDT #3399 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It seems like all the Batman stories I've read are essentially using Frank Miller's version of the character.

The Batman run by Denny O'Neil and our nutbar friend Neal Adams in the early seventies was when the character really started to be redefined from his ultra-rational, always-getting-out-of-traps sixties version. I don't know if you've gotten up to that era, which is basically Claes Oldenburg's wet dream. Batman and Robin trapped in a giant typewriter! Batman and Robin trapped in a giant pippette of doom!

And yes, the credits on the golden age heroes is subject to lots of politics and Bill Finger deserves way more credit in Batman's creation.

Though Batman was pretty clearly modeled after early pulp heroes like the Shadow and The Spider. And Superman borrows a lot from Doc Savage. Green Lantern derives from the Skylark novels by E.E. Doc Smith, etc.


Strega - Mar 21, 2011 3:26:26 pm PDT #3400 of 5059

When did the whole "Batman doesn't kill" thing become part of his character?

About two years into it:

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Polter-Cow - Mar 23, 2011 1:58:38 pm PDT #3401 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I also read the first volume of the Superman Chronicles, which is even more hilarious than the early Batman comics because Superman is SUCH A DICK. He drugs football players to take their place, he destroys oil wells to teach swindlers a lesson, he throws cars around to discourage unsafe driving, all while mocking everyone he sees. He's certainly well meaning, but oh man.

It's weird because he just goes around righting very little, normal wrongs, like unsafe driving or cruelty in a chain gang or an unfinished display for infantile paralysis. It takes a year for them to actually give him a real villain in the Ultra-Humanite, who is not a superintelligent monkey at this time.

Also, Lois REALLY HATES CLARK. It's so over-the-top and ridiculous. But she's actually pretty awesome right from the start, giving Clark fake tips so she can cover important cases that the editor didn't think a "girl" could handle and drugging him so she can meet Superman.

Superman also kills dudes, but not as frequently. And this one time when he sort of accidentally kills a dude, he's like, oh, he got what he deserved.

I enjoyed the early Batman comics more. The art's better, and the stories are more exciting. Superman's stories are almost needlessly complex for such mundane tales.

But, seriously, Superman is a dick.