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§ ita § - Nov 20, 2009 9:22:44 am PST #2574 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Removing the Spidey/MJ marriage was not a retcon. It was a plot development. Doesn't make it less stupid, though.

Wolverine's not a fucking mutant? And Wolfsbane isn't either? Give me a break. And he can die? What are they doing?

They have some classic ones that everyone should hate, like Jean Grey and the third Summers brother. I'm glad they brought up ruining Batgirl too. She used to be my favourite character not named Ororo.

Okay, admittedly he did do a complete wipe and rewrite on Swamp Thing but he's fuckin' Alan Moore and he made it more interesting than it had been before.

He did a retcon. Call a spade a spade. He just did one that people like.


Polter-Cow - Nov 20, 2009 9:25:09 am PST #2575 of 5059
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Wolverine's not a fucking mutant? And Wolfsbane isn't either? Give me a break. And he can die? What are they doing?

Yeah, I had no idea about that. Also, he has a son now or something.

I'm glad they brought up ruining Batgirl too. She used to be my favourite character not named Ororo.

Yeah, a friend of mine was pissed at that development, and I was all WTF about it too. I like Cass.


Tom Scola - Nov 20, 2009 9:27:49 am PST #2576 of 5059
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Removing the Spidey/MJ marriage was not a retcon.

It most definitely was a retroactive change of continuity.


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2009 9:30:11 am PST #2577 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It most definitely was a retroactive change of continuity.

But it was changing the past moving forward. From that point on, the marriage had never happened. If they explained that the marriage had always never happened (you just thought it had, for some strange reason) then that would be a retcon.


Steph L. - Nov 20, 2009 9:41:19 am PST #2578 of 5059
I look more rad than Lutheranism

How do you punch reality? If I punched this table hard enough would I crack Earth 3?

Are you Kryptonian?

I'm glad they brought up ruining Batgirl too.

That was a fucking travesty. Way worse, actually, than Superboy-Prime punching a hole in reality. That's just laughable. But Cassandra Cain was such a good goddamned character, from the time she was introduced in No Man's Land. And they just ruined her.


DavidS - Nov 20, 2009 9:45:28 am PST #2579 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

He did a retcon. Call a spade a spade. He just did one that people like.

I'm fine with calling it a retcon, I was just specifying it's the kind I usually have the most problem with: "It was a deluded plant spirit that thought it was Alec! But it wasn't him."

Okay, so that's an example of a good retcon.

What are some other good ones?


Steph L. - Nov 20, 2009 9:51:21 am PST #2580 of 5059
I look more rad than Lutheranism

What are some other good ones?

In comics? I think Black Canary (Dinah Lance, not her mother) used to have to use a weird device to do the canary cry. And now she doesn't. The original makes more sense, but I thought the gadget thingy was weird. I like the current version better.


Polter-Cow - Nov 20, 2009 9:55:39 am PST #2581 of 5059
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I'm not too familiar with the original origins of Spider-Woman, but Bendis's Spider-Woman: Origin story was really good and enjoyable, and I liked it even though according to Wikipedia various things were changed.


DavidS - Nov 20, 2009 9:56:20 am PST #2582 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I love Batman Year One. That's not entirely a retcon, except for Catwoman's story.


Polter-Cow - Nov 20, 2009 9:58:13 am PST #2583 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Oh, David Mack had some great bits about the origins of Kingpin in Parts of a Hole, but I don't know whether they were retconny or not. They didn't seem to entirely match up with what Wikipedia had.