Buffy: Where are the burgers? Riley: Yeah man, I'm starving. Cow me. Xander: I'd love to make with the moo but the fire's not cooperating.

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Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

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Polter-Cow - Nov 20, 2009 9:58:13 am PST #2583 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Oh, David Mack had some great bits about the origins of Kingpin in Parts of a Hole, but I don't know whether they were retconny or not. They didn't seem to entirely match up with what Wikipedia had.


Tom Scola - Nov 20, 2009 9:58:46 am PST #2584 of 5059
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

That's not entirely a retcon, except for Catwoman's story.

Which they've since retconned.


P.M. Marc - Nov 20, 2009 10:02:10 am PST #2585 of 5059
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm not too familiar with the original origins of Spider-Woman, but Bendis's Spider-Woman: Origin story was really good and enjoyable, and I liked it even though according to Wikipedia various things were changed.

It's okay. Lacking the SERIOUSLY MADE OF AWESOME CRACKTASTICNESS of the original, though. Oh, Mark Gruenwald, why did you have to die young?


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 10:58:23 am PST #2586 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I actually liked John Byrne's retcon of Superman's origin post-Crisis in Man of Steel, what with the still-living Kents and more reasonable powers and evil billionaire Lex Luthor and and no other surviving Kryptonians like Krypto the super-dog or Streaky the super-cat or Puddles the super-hamster and so forth. Of course, virtually every good change he made has since been undone by various other DC writers.


Tom Scola - Nov 20, 2009 11:00:16 am PST #2587 of 5059
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I agree with Matt. Evil billionaire Lex Luthor is the best retcon ever.


Polter-Cow - Nov 20, 2009 12:43:56 pm PST #2588 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Lacking the SERIOUSLY MADE OF AWESOME CRACKTASTICNESS of the original, though.

It seems like they wanted to use the High Evolutionary for EVERYTHING, huh.

Evil billionaire Lex Luthor is the best retcon ever.

He wasn't always like that?


Tom Scola - Nov 20, 2009 12:48:40 pm PST #2589 of 5059
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Pre-crisis LL was a lame stereotypical evil mad scientist.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 1:14:22 pm PST #2590 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Who became evil because he blamed Superboy for making him loose his hair.


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2009 1:15:11 pm PST #2591 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Have they done any print retconning to align themselves with Smallville, or has it been kept pretty AU separate?


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 1:21:26 pm PST #2592 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm not sure... I'm 3 years out of reading my last DC comic that Neil Gaiman didn't write, and never paid much attention to Smallville in the first place. The comics were definitely influenced by the big reveal/wedding in Lois & Clark back in the 90s.