All right, yes, date and shop and hang out and go to school and save the world from unspeakable demons. You know, I wanna do girlie stuff!

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Spike's Bitches 33: Weeping, crawling, blaming everybody else  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Hil R. - Dec 28, 2006 10:45:03 am PST #7758 of 10004
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Yknow, while I really appreciate countries that base their cuisine on seasonal vegetables and dont just import or freeze stuff, I have to say that I was overjoyed when my dinner tonight included not just one but two green vegetables. Italy in the winter seems to be rather lacking in vegetables that arent tomatoes. Which I can see as good in many ways, but even I was getting a tiny bit tired of pasta, bread, and cheese.

Oooh. But today, we went on a wine-tasting tour of Tuscany. SO good. And now I know all about wine.

(Um. Sorry. I skipped seven zillion posts and have no idea whats going on with anyone else. -ma to everyone that needs it.)


Volans - Dec 28, 2006 10:47:34 am PST #7759 of 10004
move out and draw fire

Hil! You're nearby! Relatively speaking. Sounds like a great trip.


brenda m - Dec 28, 2006 10:50:15 am PST #7760 of 10004
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Italy in the winter seems to be rather lacking in vegetables that arent tomatoes.

Heh. We started to suspect this might be causing some, um, dietary issues in Mexico, given that fiber supplements were everywhere and in fact, All-Bran seems to be the leading brand of damn near everything, from cereal to yogurt drinks.


Steph L. - Dec 28, 2006 11:02:36 am PST #7761 of 10004
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Once that is in hand, I'll figure out a way to gently bring up this other. No idea how at the mo, but it really seems worth a try.

Beej, there's lots of crossover with Asperger's, ADD, and OCD (because The Boy has ADD, I've read a lot about it). One of the really common traits between all of them is the inability to pick up on nonverbal social cues. The Boy is really good at it, but he said he has to work hard at it.

And -- this is what made me think of you and Fela -- The Boy said that a lot of times, the person with ADD (or Asperger's) will arrange signals with his/her SO for social situations, so that if the ADD/Asperger's person is missing a lot of nonverbal social cues, the SO can gently point it out, without making it a Big Deal That's All About His "Problem."

Maybe that's something that the two of you could do. (In the future, of course, once the physical Ick is dealt with.)


Volans - Dec 28, 2006 11:10:52 am PST #7762 of 10004
move out and draw fire

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amych - Dec 28, 2006 11:20:32 am PST #7763 of 10004
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

One of the really common traits between all of them is the inability to pick up on nonverbal social cues.

Oh, so very this.

I'm really glad tommyrot brought up the subject again, because it reminded me that I'd meant to respond to it last week and then had an ADD moment. Beej, you mentioned in your original post that your friend had advised you not to bring it up to Fela because it would "give him an out" -- and this week I'm once again sputtering about the incredible wrongness (and, frankly, cruelty) of that.

If he does have Aspie's, then he's got a lifelong issue that makes it really hard for him to do things that other people find not just easy but very valuable; I'm sure he's very aware that there's an issue there, even if he's not yet aware that there are resources that can help. And even if he only has some Aspie-like symptoms, or a borderline case, approaches based on building workarounds for the behavior - ranging from a partner giving cues to CBT - can really make a big difference. To suggest that he should be denied the information because he'll use it as an excuse for being an asshole... Oy.


Steph L. - Dec 28, 2006 11:22:23 am PST #7764 of 10004
I look more rad than Lutheranism

ranging from a partner giving cues to CBT

And in the department of there-are-no-coincidences, I've been reading about CBT on and off all day. Not for ADD, but still.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 28, 2006 11:22:35 am PST #7765 of 10004
What is even happening?

I've done that with my children, Teppy. They all need to learn some emotional control (particularly Chris). Our code phrase ended up being, "Beach it." I asked him to think of some place he loved to be, that made him happy, because when he cries, he bawls, you know? We've had some good success with it.

Which I can see as good in many ways, but even I was getting a tiny bit tired of pasta, bread, and cheese.
I've heard people get tired of pasta, bread and cheese, but I'm having trouble coming to terms with it. I guess I'll have to go to Italy.


beekaytee - Dec 28, 2006 11:25:27 am PST #7766 of 10004
Compassionately intolerant

Steph, you must be reading our mail.

Fela has asked me to put my hand on him in public when he gets too loud or aggressive in making a point. Sometimes I'm happy to do that, sometimes I'm weary of being his keeper. So, at the moment we aren't doing any social or group things together. One or two friends is fine, but groups are just too taxing. He responds badly...including to me and then later, when I'm angry or disappointed, expresses the feelings he was having at the time. I have told him multiple times that all he has to do is tell me he's uncomfortable and I'll be right there to support him...or we can just leave...honestly, there are so many options! But since we don't have a very good understanding between us, he tends to lump me in with his stressors and it is wearing me out.

He says that he was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid...but he doesn't seem to do anything about it. He has multiple excuses but not much relief.

I can take his rudeness to me, or to strangers with a grain of salt, but when he's brushing my friends aside to get through a door first, or making rude requests, or taking weird credit for things that just don't make sense, I have trouble brushing it off.

I'm squeezing my fingers crossed that the medical stuff will bring some relief but I'm not counting on any miracles at this point.


Connie Neil - Dec 28, 2006 11:29:49 am PST #7767 of 10004
brillig

Fela has asked me to put my hand on him in public when he gets too loud or aggressive in making a point. Sometimes I'm happy to do that, sometimes I'm weary of being his keeper.

Fela must be a relative of Hubby. After twenty years, Hubby's learning to listen to my cues in public. I suppose I should care more about whether the world at large thinks he's an annoying loudmouth or not, but too many times he's the only guy making any sense, so I let him steamroller the peons. This may have more to do with my issues than his.