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Spike's Bitches 33: Weeping, crawling, blaming everybody else  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


vw bug - Dec 16, 2006 2:21:23 pm PST #5982 of 10004
Mostly lurking...

Totally off topic...

Boy, those Rockettes sure can kick!


Steph L. - Dec 16, 2006 2:22:03 pm PST #5983 of 10004
I look more rad than Lutheranism

While our personal morals do affect our critical thinking, in order to be better critical thinkers, we can not allow them to influence us 100%. Otherwise, what's the point of thinking critically at all?

It seems to me that the critical thinking that hasn't been exercised by Aimee's teacher is as follows:

How does she define "porn"? And I don't mean the legal criteria for defining whether or not something is "obscene" -- I mean for the teacher herself, how does she define "porn"?

Everything flows from that.

I would agree that kiddie porn and snuff porn does, in fact, convey zero respect for human life.

However, there is lots of "porn" out there (and what I, personally, mean by that is "adult entertainment whose main focus is on sexuality and sexual activity") that, frankly, shows MOUNTAINS of respect for human life. And I mean that. There's lots of porn out there that shows 2 people having fun with each other and making each other happy, and I cannot fathom how that could be construed as "disrespectful" of humanity.

Your teacher is showing the exact opposite of critical thinking with her broad-based shallow condemnation. You have to define your terms before you can even attempt to make the kind of statement she did (if you want your statement to be taken seriously, that is).


SailAweigh - Dec 16, 2006 2:22:19 pm PST #5984 of 10004
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Where did you go to see them, vw? I think of them as a New York standard. Do they have a travelling show?


Steph L. - Dec 16, 2006 2:23:47 pm PST #5985 of 10004
I look more rad than Lutheranism

vw, I got your message this morning, but I didn't even get out of bed until noon-y. How are you doing now?


vw bug - Dec 16, 2006 2:24:15 pm PST #5986 of 10004
Mostly lurking...

Where did you go to see them, vw?

Wang Theater in Boston.

I think of them as a New York standard.

I always have too. But, instead of having it "set" in NYC, the whole theater "travels" to NYC for a portion of the show.

Do they have a travelling show?

Yeah. I don't know how many cities. They're amazing, though.


Cashmere - Dec 16, 2006 2:25:09 pm PST #5987 of 10004
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I sure will.

(Who is she?)

She is a writer who went to work in PR for the porn industry. She also has written several books--one of them, Naked Ambition is about how women have changed the porn industry.

Here's her website, with bio, books, blog, books, etc.

She used to do the FUNNIEST buffy recaps for boobtoob.net, which is how I became a fan. She lives in LA.


Aims - Dec 16, 2006 2:25:45 pm PST #5988 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

The discussion topic was whether or not Dear Abby did the correct, moral thing in turning in a guy who confessed to getting excited by child pornography and was "in love" with a 10 year-old girl. He reached out for help before he harmed anyone.

Naturally, everyone thinks absolutely, hands down she did the right thing.

Somehow, our professor decided to post a dissertation on how "porn" is horrible etc etc etc without defining the terms, as has been pointed out.


vw bug - Dec 16, 2006 2:26:17 pm PST #5989 of 10004
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How are you doing now?

I'm actually pretty crappy. And frustrated about the crappiness. It's a whole circular thing.

Thanks for asking.


Steph L. - Dec 16, 2006 2:26:55 pm PST #5990 of 10004
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Damn, Aimee. Child porn /= porn in general.

She crazy.


Aims - Dec 16, 2006 2:27:00 pm PST #5991 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

She used to do the FUNNIEST buffy recaps for boobtoob.net, which is how I became a fan. She lives in LA.

Hell, maybe I'll call her.

My friend Jay has been reading Jenna Jamieson's book How to Make Love Like a Porn Star. His girlfriend raves about how great a book it is and how much it has taught them.

I should wish list it.