Xander: I still don't get why we came here to get info about a killer snot monster. Giles: Because it's a killer snot monster from outer space. I did not say that.

'Never Leave Me'


Spike's Bitches 33: Weeping, crawling, blaming everybody else  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Aims - Dec 16, 2006 1:24:04 pm PST #5972 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I have no doubt she is not trolling. And I only have one more week in the class and it is already the second time I've had to take it.

I'll tell her that my all-time favorite is "Barely Legal IV" and that the anal scenes are really worth watching.


Aims - Dec 16, 2006 1:26:11 pm PST #5973 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I have been struggling with a proper way to respond to this post. Obviously, these are your morals speaking. Your values. And I appreciate you stating them. However, I think that one thing we run the risk of in showing our morals for all to see is that we take the chance of offending someone.

I, for one, am very morally offended by this post. My morals state that while I, personally, might find some behaviors immoral and repugnant, I don't judge other people for them.

While our personal morals do affect our critical thinking, in order to be better critical thinkers, we can not allow them to influence us 100%. Otherwise, what's the point of thinking critically at all?

Is my response.


libkitty - Dec 16, 2006 1:26:21 pm PST #5974 of 10004
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

In mememe news, I just paid off the last of my credit cards. I am, for the first time in 25 years, TOTALLY DEBT FREE. Hallelujia.

Fantastic Zenkitty. Congrats!

Also, Beej, good for you for quitting.

Critical thinking. WTF.

That's kind of funny, because for me the worst part of the statements are the lack of just that. I mean, with critical thinking, I would think you would need to tear apart the statement, asking about the types of porn, the context of the porn, and citations to back up her statements about its affects.

Also, perhaps she should provide some of this porn so you can evaluate it for yourself in the privacy of your own home. Although, that sounds a lot better in theory, as I'm now getting squicked at the thought of getting porn from a teacher like her.


Laga - Dec 16, 2006 1:27:47 pm PST #5975 of 10004
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

ETA: Very well said but I wouldn't be able to let it go that she's drawing a correlation between porn and violence where none exisits... from the wikipedia article on porn:

Effect on sex crimes

It has been theorized that there may be a link between pornography, particularly violent pornography, and an increase in sex crime.[citation needed] There have been many studies done to validate or disprove this hypothesis. The results have greatly varied from study to study, which leads many to believe that there is no consistent relationship between the two, while others may believe that the research methodology used does not yield accurate results.[citation needed]

What has been seemingly overlooked is the lower per capita crime rate and historically high availability of pornography in many developed European countries (e.g. Netherlands, Sweden) leading a growing majority conclude that there is an inverse relationship between the two, such that an increased availability of pornography in a society equates to a decrease in sexual crime. [12] Indeed since the widespread adoption of the Internet as an unfettered method to distribute adult material, the United States crime rate nation-wide has consistently and steadily dropped by almost 50% from 1993.[13]


Aims - Dec 16, 2006 1:36:28 pm PST #5976 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I changed my response to this:

I have been struggling with a proper way to respond to this post. Obviously, these are your morals speaking. Your values. You think that making, viewing, and distributing pornography is a sin and that it leads to abuse and violence. And I appreciate you stating them. However, I think that one thing we run the risk of in showing our morals for all to see is that we take the chance of offending someone.

I, for one, am very morally offended by this post. My morals state that while I, personally, might find some behaviors immoral and repugnant, I don't judge other people for them. I don't know anyone in this class well enough to say that they are sinners or lack reverence or respect for humans because they make, view, or distribute pornography.

Pornography is one of the largest industries in this country. I saw a report on how if pornography was completely eliminated, it would affect our domestic economy in such a way, that we would almost certainly throw us back into an economic depression. That's a lot of people affected. I have a hard time believing that every single one of those people is morally bad. Most of them are just making a living, trying to support their families and get by day-to-day.

While our personal morals do affect our critical thinking, in order to be better critical thinkers, we can not allow them to influence us 100%. Otherwise, what's the point of thinking critically at all?


libkitty - Dec 16, 2006 1:47:15 pm PST #5977 of 10004
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I like your response, Aimee, especially the part that brings out the importance of being nonjudgemental. I think it's likely that many people with your teacher's opinion would be surprised that others would be offended by that opinion, even if they disagreed.

I guess I think that morals influence our thinking, but not so much the critical part. I think that the important part is to use the moral and critical thinking together, especially with people whose moral and ethical frameworks may vary.


SailAweigh - Dec 16, 2006 2:06:40 pm PST #5978 of 10004
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I guess I think that morals influence our thinking, but not so much the critical part

Morals don't so much affect our thinking, they affect our behavior. Critical thinking is what leads us to develop our personal moral structure. From what Aimee's prof says, someone else did her critical thinking for her (God) and, therfore, she's imposing "her" morals on everyone else because obviously she's a better critical thinker than her students are. She's putting the cart before the horse and it don't work that way. Bleargh.


libkitty - Dec 16, 2006 2:14:22 pm PST #5979 of 10004
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

From what Aimee's prof says, someone else did her critical thinking for her (God)

Yes. And if she wants to do this on her own, fine. But if she feels that personal critical thinking is thus unnecessary, it's kind of odd for her to teach such a class.


Cashmere - Dec 16, 2006 2:18:23 pm PST #5980 of 10004
Now tagless for your comfort.

Aimee, have your prof give Carly Milne a call, please.


Aims - Dec 16, 2006 2:20:17 pm PST #5981 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I sure will.

(Who is she?)