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DavidS - Sep 02, 2006 4:29:27 pm PDT #1602 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm sorry, but this...

It's not all your fault, but a lot of it is.

...is bullshit. I didn't attack vw. I said she didn't know what evil lurks in the hearts of men. That's it. I'm not responsible for her hysterics. I'm responsible for my behavior (including what I post) - not her reaction to it.

Whether or not you were out of line in your first post, you definitely were in your second.

I don't think so. I wasn't purposefully trying to make her upset, and when she said she was upset I apologized.

DavidS - Sep 02, 2006 4:30:17 pm PDT #1603 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but definitely glib and a tad condescending.

Perhaps. Is that out of line?

Aims - Sep 02, 2006 4:34:17 pm PDT #1604 of 10000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I apologized.

You said you were sorry she was upset. You did not say, "I am sorry that what I said upset you." Vast difference. And you know it.

Perhaps. Is that out of line?

Not always. But it is out of line to not directly apologize when something you say visibly upsets someone.

Lee - Sep 02, 2006 4:34:32 pm PDT #1605 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Perhaps. Is that out of line?

In this situation, a little bit, yes. Your apology also didn't come across as actually being one.

NoiseDesign - Sep 02, 2006 4:34:51 pm PDT #1606 of 10000
Our wings are not tired

I suddenly feel very sorry for JZ.

Cass - Sep 02, 2006 4:34:52 pm PDT #1607 of 10000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I'm responsible for my behavior (including what I post) - not her reaction to it.
It's yelling, "Fire!" in the crowded theatre... Yes, you have free speech but say some things and you *are* responsible for the reactions. In this case, I feel you were out of line.

Cass - Sep 02, 2006 4:42:16 pm PDT #1608 of 10000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I suddenly feel very sorry for JZ.
Fighting mean with mean is probably not the best scenario. t /Doblerette

DavidS - Sep 02, 2006 4:45:09 pm PDT #1609 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I mean seriously, are you so bored on a Saturday night that you can't even dig up some semblance of empathy for a suck-ass situation that someone is in?

Yes, Aimee, it's right here on my calendar. "Stir up shit on the board and upset vw for no particular reason."

I thought it was a dangerous illusion for vw to believe she could spot a sociopath or abuser. Certainly there are signs to look for; certainly it's better to be wary and on guard. But presuming that she could spot an abuser without evidence seemed as dangerous as blind trust.

That seemed more useful than empathy, but apparently not. I was mistaken.

NoiseDesign - Sep 02, 2006 4:48:18 pm PDT #1610 of 10000
Our wings are not tired

You are correct Cass. I typed and posted when I should have been more thoughtful. My apologies.

Lee - Sep 02, 2006 4:48:30 pm PDT #1611 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

What Cass said.

Perhaps we could all use some Doblerizing.

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