Kaylee: H-how did you... g-get on...? Early: Strains the mind a bit, don't it? You think you're all alone. Maybe I come down the chimney, Kaylee. Bring presents to the good girls and boys.

'Objects In Space'


Premium Cable: The Cursing Costs Extra

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le nubian - Apr 22, 2013 7:20:17 am PDT #4999 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I'm not sure why she thought that though. Does seem to validate her father's appraisal of her not being as with it as she thinks. Joffrey was fucking out of hand before he became king. At least we saw that. Things were not going to improve. And if it is as she said that half the family are a bunch of bloodthirsty assholes and half aren't, why did she think she'd avoid the curse with Joffrey.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2013 7:29:17 am PDT #5000 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can't say my point better than LeN did. Unless she thought absolute power makes puppies, I gotta go with her dad. Well, also if she did think that too. Did I miss her worry that it would go south once asshole met ruling?


Sean K - Apr 22, 2013 7:32:18 am PDT #5001 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

And if it is as she said that half the family are a bunch of bloodthirsty assholes and half aren't, why did she think she'd avoid the curse with Joffrey.

Well, Tommen and Myrcella seem okay, which you would think would bring her to the opposite conclusion. I think "think" might be the wrong word for Cersei in this particular instance.

I...I do wish he were written a bit subtler. He takes me out of the story.

I wonder if Joffrey would be more believable for you in the books. He's still exactly the same character, but maybe it would play better with more words? Not that I'm saying you need to read the books, just that they're presenting exactly who the readers are expecting.


Sean K - Apr 22, 2013 7:34:27 am PDT #5002 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Also, I checked on IMDB, and the official name of the character who cuts off Jamie's hand is "Locke", which I find amusing in that they can call him whatever the hell they want, book readers are always going to think of him as Vargo Hoat.


-t - Apr 22, 2013 7:39:28 am PDT #5003 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I, for one, am still confused by Theon calling his sister Yara.


Jessica - Apr 22, 2013 7:44:00 am PDT #5004 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Also, I checked on IMDB, and the official name of the character who cuts off Jamie's hand is "Locke", which I find amusing in that they can call him whatever the hell they want, book readers are always going to think of him as Vargo Hoat.

Yeah, I read somewhere "Locke, who has replaced the book's Vargo Hoat" which...ok? Maybe they don't want to deal with introducing the Bloody Mummers, but why bother changing the name of a minor character most TV watchers aren't going to remember by name anyway?

As far as Cercei's misjudgment of Joff goes, I think it mostly boils down to her not being very observant, but also she thought she had at least a few more years of him being a child she could mold into a totally awesome king. She didn't realize that putting a crown on his head at 15 would remove all her parental authority over him.


Sean K - Apr 22, 2013 7:46:54 am PDT #5005 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I, for one, am still confused by Theon calling his sister Yara.

Yeah, I wonder about that too. My guess is they were worried Osha and Asha would be too confusing.

Maybe they don't want to deal with introducing the Bloody Mummers, but why bother changing the name of a minor character most TV watchers aren't going to remember by name anyway?

Right? It's not like they had to worry about watchers getting him confused with that other character "Margo Stoat."


Jessica - Apr 22, 2013 7:49:08 am PDT #5006 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

My guess is they were worried Osha and Asha would be too confusing.

That was the stated reason, but I guess nobody at that meeting remembered there's also a character named Arya.


Sean K - Apr 22, 2013 7:51:13 am PDT #5007 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Rewatching this morning, and man, the inside of the Great Sept of Baelor is absolutely gorgeous.


Jessica - Apr 22, 2013 7:54:11 am PDT #5008 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think it's easy to forget that the only people Cersei has ever really managed to outwit were Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon. And Robert was drunk most of the time.