I think the Cylons need a homeworld because humans do.

The previews make it look like the humans wrestle with the idea of annihilating the Cylons. Buh? This had better be in light of accepting Athena, because what else had been their plan? Running so far that the toasters stopped chasing them?

it blows out of the water that nice little past-canon assumption that Ellen and John had a thing.

Unless their thing was pre-Jo. I was rooting for Jo to be their sister, myself, which is most very likely blown out of the water. How old was Jo when her daddy died?

I notice, SA, that you say Jo and Ellen have a right to their (moronic) feelings. This isn't so much about SPN as it is about that phrasing--since it doesn't seem that their right to their feelings is tightly linked to the sensibility of their feelings, what dictates having this right or no?

I thought the thing that killed Cylons was some sort of probe like Voyager or V'Ger or Nomad....

Jo remembers her father, so she was at least 5 or 6. I don't think we have any more information than that.

I notice, SA, that you say Jo and Ellen have a right to their (moronic) feelings. This isn't so much about SPN as it is about that phrasing--since it doesn't seem that their right to their feelings is tightly linked to the sensibility of their feelings, what dictates having this right or no?

No, and I phrased that badly because I was already fast-forwarding to Cylons--their feeling are of course not sensible, especially with something as painful and meaningful as losing a father/husband. And finding someone to blame for it is something humans often do. But the whole exchange bothered me at the end, how Ellen would still call up John and still welcome the Winchester brothers with open arms, and then very suddenly turn around and lay on them this whole thing from her past that Sam and Dean had no idea about, lay the blame on them as much as their father. It's not sensible, but it's not right, either.

I was thinking about the whole situation trying to go to bed last night, and I realized that Ellen's reaction was probably triggered by the fact that Jo was bait. I think it's possible to assume that the hunt John and William were on was one where William was used as bait, and got killed for it. To see Jo used as bait, quite blatantly so, by the Winchesters, was probably just too much. Thus opening that past hurt again. But it was Jo's idea as much as anything, and Dean obviously had reservations about using Jo as bait, but had few other options without gaining access to the bones. And she came out of it okay. But triggers are triggers, and it tied in very deeply with the loss of her husband.

I think you're assuming stuff we don't know, SA. It's just as logical to posit that Ellen just doesn't want Jo to hunt, ever, no how.

Which would mean she has no problem with other people taking up the hunt, and would support Dean and Sam just fine -- she didn't raise them; she's not responsible for them. (Also, they're obviously adults, and as far as she knows, chose their own way.) But it's possible to approach other hunters that way, and still not be okay with her own child hunting.

Ellen probably had no intention of even burdening Dean and Sam with her knowledge at all; that would have just been a private pain she kept -- until she needed to use it to keep Jo safe. Safe from hunting, not just being bait. Hunting is dangerous enough, don't you think?

I don't think blame is the right word, for this parental-stuff intruding into the lives of children. And I don't think that it's a grudge. It's just a mom pulling out all the stops to make clear to her child why she feels strongly about the issue.

BTW, "No Exit" is being repeated tonight. (6 pm Central.)

So far as I know the John/Ellen is purely fan speculation not canon.

There were many things I liked about this episode, but most of them have already been discussed. I did feel like in many ways, the writers were talking to us, the audience. They addressed who exactly is the Six in Baltar's head and the whole five other models things. There might have one or two other things.

Like Daniel, I thought of V'ger when I saw the probe.

I think Tigh may be at the end of the line. It's hard to see where his character will go from here. Plus, his death would cause a lot of angst and pain for Adama and we know how much BSG loves that.

They addressed who exactly is the Six in Baltar's head

No, they didn't. She just said she was an Angel of God, which was exactly what she said when Baltar didn't find a chip in his head. That was nice continuity there, given that it hasn't been touched on in a long while.

Well, they talked about addressing it, at least. She did know an awful lot that he couldn't have (if he's human), but that's hardly new.