So far as I know the John/Ellen is purely fan speculation not canon.
I hope you don't think that I just come over for the spells and everything. I mean, I really like just talking and hanging out with you and stuff.
Willow ,'First Date'
Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."
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sumi - Nov 05, 2006 7:43:16 am PST #3371 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Stephanie - Nov 05, 2006 2:48:02 pm PST #3372 of 10001
Trust my rage
There were many things I liked about this episode, but most of them have already been discussed. I did feel like in many ways, the writers were talking to us, the audience. They addressed who exactly is the Six in Baltar's head and the whole five other models things. There might have one or two other things.
Like Daniel, I thought of V'ger when I saw the probe.
I think Tigh may be at the end of the line. It's hard to see where his character will go from here. Plus, his death would cause a lot of angst and pain for Adama and we know how much BSG loves that.
Polter-Cow - Nov 05, 2006 3:12:24 pm PST #3373 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
They addressed who exactly is the Six in Baltar's head
No, they didn't. She just said she was an Angel of God, which was exactly what she said when Baltar didn't find a chip in his head. That was nice continuity there, given that it hasn't been touched on in a long while.
DebetEsse - Nov 05, 2006 3:19:18 pm PST #3374 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Well, they talked about addressing it, at least. She did know an awful lot that he couldn't have (if he's human), but that's hardly new.
Morgana - Nov 05, 2006 4:38:25 pm PST #3375 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Regarding SPN:
Which would mean she has no problem with other people taking up the hunt, and would support Dean and Sam just fine -- she didn't raise them; she's not responsible for them. (Also, they're obviously adults, and as far as she knows, chose their own way.)
Here at my house we were trying to figure out how old Jo is supposed to be. During one of Ellen and Jo's fights, Ellen yelled that Jo could go back to school. So we'd have to assume she's of college age, therefore I'd guess maybe a year or two younger than Sam. So she's young, and yes, she's Ellen's child, but she's not a little girl. More or less an adult, capable of being responsible for herself, and choosing her own way, whether Ellen likes it or not.
sumi - Nov 05, 2006 4:47:32 pm PST #3376 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
For some reason, I had it in my head that she (Jo) is 23. I don't know WHERE I got that from.
Wait -- she's w/i a year of Sam's age -- there was something about her birthdate in one of the episodes. She's younger than Sam but not by much.
P.M. Marc - Nov 05, 2006 5:05:46 pm PST #3377 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Wait -- she's w/i a year of Sam's age -- there was something about her birthdate in one of the episodes. She's younger than Sam but not by much.
Have I mentioned here, or just in LJ, how much I want Jo to be one of the kids the demon's after? I doubt it'll come to that, but, man, I find the notion entertaining as heck. Esp. given how that spins the entire Ellen dynamic for me.
sumi - Nov 05, 2006 5:10:19 pm PST #3378 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Oh, I totally agree -- that would be excellent.
DCJensen - Nov 05, 2006 6:06:46 pm PST #3379 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.
Damn it. Forgot Torchwood was on today in the UK.
Nutty - Nov 05, 2006 6:29:38 pm PST #3380 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
So she's young, and yes, she's Ellen's child, but she's not a little girl. More or less an adult, capable of being responsible for herself, and choosing her own way, whether Ellen likes it or not.
Right, but, whether or not Ellen has legal say in Jo's life, she certainly has a lot of influence. It takes a lot of guts and a really big fight to do as Sam did, break with a parent and go off on your own (socially, financially). Even if Jo is 23 (plausible, although it's headspinny seeing a recent highschooler in that role), that doesn't mean she's ready -- or ever will be -- to break with Ellen.
And Ellen, even if she has no legal sway, certainly has the chutzpah and the ammunition to keep an emotional sway.