Hauser: You really think you can solve the problem? Come into Wolfram & Hart and make everything right? Turn night into glorious day? You pathetic little fairy. Angel: I'm not little.

'Just Rewards (2)'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Nutty - Nov 05, 2006 7:17:56 am PST #3369 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I think you're assuming stuff we don't know, SA. It's just as logical to posit that Ellen just doesn't want Jo to hunt, ever, no how.

Which would mean she has no problem with other people taking up the hunt, and would support Dean and Sam just fine -- she didn't raise them; she's not responsible for them. (Also, they're obviously adults, and as far as she knows, chose their own way.) But it's possible to approach other hunters that way, and still not be okay with her own child hunting.

Ellen probably had no intention of even burdening Dean and Sam with her knowledge at all; that would have just been a private pain she kept -- until she needed to use it to keep Jo safe. Safe from hunting, not just being bait. Hunting is dangerous enough, don't you think?

I don't think blame is the right word, for this parental-stuff intruding into the lives of children. And I don't think that it's a grudge. It's just a mom pulling out all the stops to make clear to her child why she feels strongly about the issue.


sumi - Nov 05, 2006 7:41:52 am PST #3370 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

BTW, "No Exit" is being repeated tonight. (6 pm Central.)


sumi - Nov 05, 2006 7:43:16 am PST #3371 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

So far as I know the John/Ellen is purely fan speculation not canon.


Stephanie - Nov 05, 2006 2:48:02 pm PST #3372 of 10001
Trust my rage

There were many things I liked about this episode, but most of them have already been discussed. I did feel like in many ways, the writers were talking to us, the audience. They addressed who exactly is the Six in Baltar's head and the whole five other models things. There might have one or two other things.

Like Daniel, I thought of V'ger when I saw the probe.

I think Tigh may be at the end of the line. It's hard to see where his character will go from here. Plus, his death would cause a lot of angst and pain for Adama and we know how much BSG loves that.


Polter-Cow - Nov 05, 2006 3:12:24 pm PST #3373 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

They addressed who exactly is the Six in Baltar's head

No, they didn't. She just said she was an Angel of God, which was exactly what she said when Baltar didn't find a chip in his head. That was nice continuity there, given that it hasn't been touched on in a long while.


DebetEsse - Nov 05, 2006 3:19:18 pm PST #3374 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Well, they talked about addressing it, at least. She did know an awful lot that he couldn't have (if he's human), but that's hardly new.


Morgana - Nov 05, 2006 4:38:25 pm PST #3375 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Regarding SPN:

Which would mean she has no problem with other people taking up the hunt, and would support Dean and Sam just fine -- she didn't raise them; she's not responsible for them. (Also, they're obviously adults, and as far as she knows, chose their own way.)

Here at my house we were trying to figure out how old Jo is supposed to be. During one of Ellen and Jo's fights, Ellen yelled that Jo could go back to school. So we'd have to assume she's of college age, therefore I'd guess maybe a year or two younger than Sam. So she's young, and yes, she's Ellen's child, but she's not a little girl. More or less an adult, capable of being responsible for herself, and choosing her own way, whether Ellen likes it or not.


sumi - Nov 05, 2006 4:47:32 pm PST #3376 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

For some reason, I had it in my head that she (Jo) is 23. I don't know WHERE I got that from.

Wait -- she's w/i a year of Sam's age -- there was something about her birthdate in one of the episodes. She's younger than Sam but not by much.


P.M. Marc - Nov 05, 2006 5:05:46 pm PST #3377 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Wait -- she's w/i a year of Sam's age -- there was something about her birthdate in one of the episodes. She's younger than Sam but not by much.

Have I mentioned here, or just in LJ, how much I want Jo to be one of the kids the demon's after? I doubt it'll come to that, but, man, I find the notion entertaining as heck. Esp. given how that spins the entire Ellen dynamic for me.


sumi - Nov 05, 2006 5:10:19 pm PST #3378 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Oh, I totally agree -- that would be excellent.