Is that to me, sumi? I meant someone on the show.

It was saying "Delete! Delete! Delete!", right? I didn't hear "Dammit!"

As I recall, it was "Delete."

Supernatural: I had to mute it to get through the super-creepy scenes. I am just not built for that factor of musical scores. It was interesting how little there was of Sam in this episode. And I very much like Jo and Ellen, and I think Ellen plays nicely off our image of John as a parental figure. I figured there was probably some kind of falling out between the two families, and I guess I can buy that Ellen believes John somehow contributed to the death of William (memfault?). But honestly--would she have really stayed in touch, even by voicemail, with John if there was that wedge between them? I can see not going by the roadhouse, or by their home or whatever; but still talking on the phone doesn't seem quite clear. Obviously it's the emotions talking--but they were hunters. Sometimes, hunters die. To blame it on John because he came back alive is terribly irrational, and to paint his sons with the same color of that original irrational idea is foolish and moronic. That's not to say that Ellen (and now Jo) don't have the right to those feelings, because they certainly do, but previously there had been no evidence of Ellen treating the boys any differently because of their misfortune, and to have that almost casually thrown off seems... I don't know. I don't like it. It doesn't feel right.

Also, it blows out of the water that nice little past-canon assumption that Ellen and John had a thing. Which I admit makes me a little sad.

Did anyone else think it was cute that Sam and Dean got all excited that they got to hunt a really famous spirit? They were a little starry-eyed with fame. And I loved how nonchalantly they poured concrete down there. They're so cool.

BSG: Good, tense episode. I like that Lt. Agathon has a new nickname. I'm glad Kara is finally getting the hell over herself. I'm kind of hoping Tigh OD's on alcohol and kicks it in the next episode, because frankly, despite it being completely nepotistic, Adama needs to chuck Tigh and make Lee his 2IC. Lee's weight loss is ridiculous, but I will never complain about seeing Jamie Bamber half-naked.

This whole Cylon disease thing is interestingly chewy; I find it strangely compelling that Baltar switches sides like a rubix cube. I wasn't sure if he was leaving the bomb there for the Galactica to find, or so the Cylons wouldn't develop a cure, or because he was so freaked out by the dark-haired Six blaming him for everything. But now that the possibility is there, for a real weapon against the Cylons (and possible b-plot of Sharon contracting the disease) it puts the humans back in the game. Though one really has to wonder--if the thirteenth tribe left a beacon there for the other twelve to follow, and that was far in the human past, how could they have made something that would be a disease for the Cylons if the Cylons hadn't been created yet? Presumably the whole robot-turned-wrong thing happened after the colonies had been established and their civilisation flourished, not before. Perhaps it's just a byproduct of the beacon that can be used to human advantage. Either way, I hope they have something compelling.

I liked too that we finally got some allusion to the other five of the twelve models. And I really am enjoying this glimpse into the skinjob world--this emphasis and use of water is just fascinating. The hybrid was awesome, as a concept, because it draws on our culture knowledge of the Matrix as well as, for more recent sci-fi fans, a similarly conceived storyline in Doctor Who's season one finale. It really touches on the idea of "cyborg", almost moreso than the skinjobs do. I liked seeing the infighting, and noting that the hybrid objects, but though she is conscious she still has no vote. The intensity of the "jump" command was also fascinating. It makes me wonder what, exactly, is the connection between the skinjobs and their starship/space fighter/centurion counterparts. Is it a matter of (continued...)

( continues...) consciousness? Degree of consciousness, like what we assume between humans and animals? If so, who created that degree of difference?

It became apparent that the Cylons do not have the sum of knowledge on themselves when Six was explaining the Hybrid to Baltar, and noting that they did not understand the vocalizations the Hybrid made, or why she was making them. But you would think, for a group of, lets say, creatures created from another imperfectly made creature (human) that they would, at the least, have the sum of knowledge about themselves. But this instead points to some larger Creator, maybe (not exclusively, but given their religious mythography and their origin from the minds of humans), who constructed the intial forms of the various kinds of Cylons, but neglected to include vital information about why they were constructed that way, or whether they could change their own construction. Are the vocalizations of the Hybrid a byproduct of code, like an unpredicted output for a limited set of algorithms? Does it serve a purpose? Should it? Why do the Cylons need a homeworld?

As always, whenever I watch BSG I find I have more questions than I do introspections.

Yes. Do they know her exact circumstance? It's really difficult to know what anyone else on the show knows.

I think the Cylons need a homeworld because humans do.

The previews make it look like the humans wrestle with the idea of annihilating the Cylons. Buh? This had better be in light of accepting Athena, because what else had been their plan? Running so far that the toasters stopped chasing them?

it blows out of the water that nice little past-canon assumption that Ellen and John had a thing.

Unless their thing was pre-Jo. I was rooting for Jo to be their sister, myself, which is most very likely blown out of the water. How old was Jo when her daddy died?

I notice, SA, that you say Jo and Ellen have a right to their (moronic) feelings. This isn't so much about SPN as it is about that phrasing--since it doesn't seem that their right to their feelings is tightly linked to the sensibility of their feelings, what dictates having this right or no?

I thought the thing that killed Cylons was some sort of probe like Voyager or V'Ger or Nomad....

Jo remembers her father, so she was at least 5 or 6. I don't think we have any more information than that.

I notice, SA, that you say Jo and Ellen have a right to their (moronic) feelings. This isn't so much about SPN as it is about that phrasing--since it doesn't seem that their right to their feelings is tightly linked to the sensibility of their feelings, what dictates having this right or no?

No, and I phrased that badly because I was already fast-forwarding to Cylons--their feeling are of course not sensible, especially with something as painful and meaningful as losing a father/husband. And finding someone to blame for it is something humans often do. But the whole exchange bothered me at the end, how Ellen would still call up John and still welcome the Winchester brothers with open arms, and then very suddenly turn around and lay on them this whole thing from her past that Sam and Dean had no idea about, lay the blame on them as much as their father. It's not sensible, but it's not right, either.

I was thinking about the whole situation trying to go to bed last night, and I realized that Ellen's reaction was probably triggered by the fact that Jo was bait. I think it's possible to assume that the hunt John and William were on was one where William was used as bait, and got killed for it. To see Jo used as bait, quite blatantly so, by the Winchesters, was probably just too much. Thus opening that past hurt again. But it was Jo's idea as much as anything, and Dean obviously had reservations about using Jo as bait, but had few other options without gaining access to the bones. And she came out of it okay. But triggers are triggers, and it tied in very deeply with the loss of her husband.

I think you're assuming stuff we don't know, SA. It's just as logical to posit that Ellen just doesn't want Jo to hunt, ever, no how.

Which would mean she has no problem with other people taking up the hunt, and would support Dean and Sam just fine -- she didn't raise them; she's not responsible for them. (Also, they're obviously adults, and as far as she knows, chose their own way.) But it's possible to approach other hunters that way, and still not be okay with her own child hunting.

Ellen probably had no intention of even burdening Dean and Sam with her knowledge at all; that would have just been a private pain she kept -- until she needed to use it to keep Jo safe. Safe from hunting, not just being bait. Hunting is dangerous enough, don't you think?

I don't think blame is the right word, for this parental-stuff intruding into the lives of children. And I don't think that it's a grudge. It's just a mom pulling out all the stops to make clear to her child why she feels strongly about the issue.

BTW, "No Exit" is being repeated tonight. (6 pm Central.)