The money was too good. I got stupid.

Jayne ,'Ariel'


Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Jul 31, 2006 6:00:05 pm PDT #9605 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Coffee...ground or beans.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 31, 2006 6:14:39 pm PDT #9606 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

And Red Bull.


Lee - Jul 31, 2006 6:36:25 pm PDT #9607 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Both good ideas.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 31, 2006 6:39:15 pm PDT #9608 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Does anyone have any advice for how best to speak to someone who's suddenly showing strong symptoms of clinical depression? My dad, who's normally very chipper and upbeat, has been in such a state of misery the last few days—apparently in reaction to an antibiotic—that he's seriously frightening my mom. He's blaming himself for every problem, saying that he doesn't deserve to do things like watch television (when Mom tried to cheer himup with some comedies and game shows), and made a comment about there being a lot of pills around the house.

While I've of course helped cheer people up when they're down in the dumps due to unpleasant situations, I've never dealt with someone who is in that seriously bad a mental state, and I'm very fearful of doing or saying something that will make things worse.


Lee - Jul 31, 2006 6:51:43 pm PDT #9609 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

That is a hard one, Matt. I would do my best to make him (or your mom) talk to the doctor and see if this is an expected side effect of the antibiotic, and see if there is an alternate drug or something that would counteract it.


Beverly - Jul 31, 2006 6:54:22 pm PDT #9610 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

What Lee said, Matt. If it is a reaction to the drug, it needs to be switched for one that doesn't cause that side effect. Or a counter-effect drug prescribed. I'm sorry he's going through this, and putting you and your mom through the worry about him.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 31, 2006 7:01:35 pm PDT #9611 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

He's already seen the doctor (yesterday), and been taken off the antibiotic and given a mild anti-depressant. We're 99% positive that's the root cause since it's such a 180° turnaround from his usual personality and began soon after taking the drug. But the blue mood has continued through today (actually we think something the doctor said in concern may have brought up his older brother's suicide and made him start thinking about such things). I'm headed over tomorrow to visit and try and draw him out of the funk as much as I can, though I doubt he'll feel like getting out and doing anything like going for a drive or people watching that might ordinarily make him feel better if he was a bit down.


Lee - Jul 31, 2006 7:33:39 pm PDT #9612 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think just being there with him is probably the best thing, Matt. I hope that changing the drugs helps lift the depression.


Cass - Jul 31, 2006 7:51:23 pm PDT #9613 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

What Lee said.

My thoughts are with you, Matt. I am glad that you are going over there tomorrow and that his medication was changed. I hope he comes out of this as quickly as the depression started.


Strega - Jul 31, 2006 8:26:46 pm PDT #9614 of 10002

Ugh, Matt. I think I would try to treat it like it was a physical side-effect; acknowledge that its painful and you're sorry he's going through it. 'Cause it sounds like trying to be too cheery or saying, "Oh, you only feel this way because of the antibiotics" might backfire; when you're depressed that can feel dismissive.

Does he like any games? Cards or something that requires a little interaction might distract him from how he feels for a bit. But mostly I think I'd let him lead the conversation, or lack of it.

I don't know how much any of that is worth, but I hope he feels better soon.