Wesley: We were fighting on opposite sides, but it was the same war. Fred: but you hated her…didn't you? Wesley: It's not always about holding hands.

'Shells'


Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sumi - Jul 20, 2006 8:22:17 am PDT #7694 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Project Runway: Malan's exit interview is up at the


Cashmere - Jul 20, 2006 8:47:08 am PDT #7695 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

I sort of find it refreshing that Haley Joel Osment was driving a 10 year old Saturn when he wrecked. Looks like he's going to be ok. He's growing into a cutiehead teenager.


§ ita § - Jul 20, 2006 8:49:37 am PDT #7696 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Looks like he's going to be ok.

Depends on why he crashed.


Cashmere - Jul 20, 2006 8:51:48 am PDT #7697 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Depends on why he crashed.

Good point. "Awake and talking" probably doesn't mean "not drunk or stoned".


Jesse - Jul 20, 2006 8:57:44 am PDT #7698 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I will say that being drunk at 1 in the morning at 18, even driving, isn't necessarily a sign of some big Problem. If HJO was drunk or whatever.


§ ita § - Jul 20, 2006 9:08:32 am PDT #7699 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Underaged drunk driving isn't a Problem?


Vortex - Jul 20, 2006 9:10:32 am PDT #7700 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I doubt he was. If there was a hint of it, they would have said so. or said something like "police will not confirm if HJO was under the influence"


Jesse - Jul 20, 2006 9:11:31 am PDT #7701 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think it's a bad thing to do, but not necessarily a sign of alcoholism. Teenagers are stupid.

I had a whole theory in college, that I think turned out to be right, that it was impossible to tell who had a real problem with alcohol, and who just had a situational drinking problem.


§ ita § - Jul 20, 2006 9:15:51 am PDT #7702 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think it's a bad thing to do, but not necessarily a sign of alcoholism. Teenagers are stupid.

I didn't bring up alcoholism, though. I still think it's a Problem, both for the teen and the people around the incident.

Apparently teenagers are stupid, but millions of them manage to make it through without flipping their cars.

People are stupid, in my experience. Not just teenagers. Not even predominantly teenagers.

I doubt he was. If there was a hint of it, they would have said so. or said something like "police will not confirm if HJO was under the influence"

What about this report? Do you think there's no chance there?

it was impossible to tell who had a real problem with alcohol, and who just had a situational drinking problem.

Impossible for who? Medical professionals? Or laypeople?

Also, how are you defining a situational drinking problem--I'm assuming it rates lower on the grave scale, but why?


Sophia Brooks - Jul 20, 2006 9:21:58 am PDT #7703 of 10002
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I have to agree with Jesse.

I make the distinction almost with what fixes the problem-- that is the people I think of as alcoholics really can never drink again, while I think it is possible for problem drinkers to become normal drinkers. My uncle, for example, had a problem drinking after he broke up a long time relationship, and in fact had enough DUI/DWI's to have his license taken away. After that, though, he sobered up, but will still drink wine at a Christmas party or something.

I am not sure a health professional would/could make a distinction.