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Natter .44 Magnum: Do You Feel Chatty, Punk?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - May 24, 2006 5:10:44 am PDT #8785 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm disappointed in how many things "battery" covers. Misdemeanor battery is what the krav instructor who beat up a guy in self defense was charged with, and it's the same term for licking a stranger's toes? Doesn't seem right.

I have a specific pair of shoes I want to wear today, and I can't seem to put together the right outfit for them. My black skirts don't fit when I'm at the top of my weight bracket.


tommyrot - May 24, 2006 5:13:16 am PDT #8786 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think we've discussed this before, but what's the difference between assult and battery? Assult means just attacking, whether or not you hit them, and battery is the hitting?


Jesse - May 24, 2006 5:19:04 am PDT #8787 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My understanding is that a threat is assault. "I'm going to hit you!" = assault. Actually hitting = battery.

The terrible no-good shoes apparently do not exist online. Which means I'll have to take my own good picture of them in order to sell them. Ugh.


bon bon - May 24, 2006 5:23:25 am PDT #8788 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It used to be that battery was defined as unlawful touching (basically) and assault was attempted battery. I don't think a lot of jurisdictions have that distinction anymore.


Vortex - May 24, 2006 5:25:37 am PDT #8789 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

most jurisdictions have combined assault and battery into one crime.


tommyrot - May 24, 2006 5:26:01 am PDT #8790 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

What makes something more than misdemeanor battery? Or is that just an arbitrary distinction?

What comes after (is more severe) than misdemeanor battery?


Jesse - May 24, 2006 5:29:36 am PDT #8791 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The legal confluence of assault and battery makes me sad. I liked the idea that we laypeople thought they were the same, but they really weren't.


§ ita § - May 24, 2006 5:31:15 am PDT #8792 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What comes after (is more severe) than misdemeanor battery?

I think (and why am I bothering with actual lawyers around? because it's the internet and I have a Post message button) that there also exists felony battery.

Found the black skirt!


tommyrot - May 24, 2006 5:34:56 am PDT #8793 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think (and why am I bothering with actual lawyers around? because it's the internet and I have a Post message button) that there also exists felony battery.

That's what I figured - are those the only two categories?

Also, how much force are you allowed to use to defend yourself? If someone clearly is trying to kill you, obviously you can do whatever is necessary to defend yourself, including killing them back. But what if, say, someone "just" wants to beat you up, and in the process of defending yourself you happen to pick up a shard of glass and stab them in the neck and they die? I mean (for the sake of this example) you took action that you knew might kill the other person....


Vortex - May 24, 2006 5:36:52 am PDT #8794 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

What makes something more than misdemeanor battery? Or is that just an arbitrary distinction?

It's a severity issue. Slapping someone is less serious than hitting them with a baseball bat, for example.

What comes after (is more severe) than misdemeanor battery?

felony battery, punishable by a year or more in jail. (the general distinction between misdemeanor and felony)