I had Casper drug-free. There were painful parts but only one brief screamy OWIE moment. For the rest I just made a lot of noise (which surprised me) but it really helped. Not screaming, rhythmic moaning.

Casper doesn't seem to have been traumatized by the noise. In fact, she was sort of astoundingly zen and wise-looking ( [link] ) for the first couple of hours. Then she fell asleep.

Unseemly interest by fathers in their daughters' "purity" has always struck me as having icky incestuous undertones.

Oh, definitely. Purity Ball = years of therapy. Or, as someone said on another board, that's where strippers come from.

It seems to me you've talked about your family's general build, but I can't remember if you were talking about booty scarcity or abundance.

It's not the fullest trunk, but it has its share of junk. There's an upper limit to the waist/hip ratio a skirt that short can cover politely. It would still be polite on me, but I'd have a limited range of motion.

Well, back in the day (and in some places still) women were literally property and their value was hymen-based. Her virtue was her family's virtue -- it wasn't 'hers' to give away. It really WAS "it's mine and you can't have it unless I say so" on the part of Fathers.

When you leave out the property rights it just comes off as dirty.

Slavery or pervy really seem to be the only options when Daddy is overly interested in such things.

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When you leave out the property rights it just comes off as dirty.

I find when you put them in, it's still dirty. It's a hymen, after all.

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Seriously.

And I just realized that the paper I've been more or less blowing off is 60% of the grade for that class. Due Monday. Argh.

I find when you put them in, it's still dirty. It's a hymen, after all.

Well, at least with the property rights he didn't give so much of an impression of wanting to, you know, do stuff to it. He just owned it and needed to maintain his investment.

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OMG, for reals. I cannot do anything except read TWOP recaps. I'm all behind and I watched lots of TV last week!

I have motivation! Of course, it's motivation to go home and go back to sleep, but still...