Yeah, I think the problem is when "nice" is the best thing you can say about someone. I mean, who would want to end up in a good relationship with somone who wasn't nice? But there's got to be more there.

And I have seen women bring really really lame guys to hang out with a group, and you can tell he's trying, but just isn't having fun. Edit: Which is as likely a fault of the match than the guy (or the group), but that's what I think of when I think of a woman picking a "too nice" guy and trying to make him more fun.

ita should watch The Wire. Because: 1. Every Buffista should...it's got bigger arcs than Noah, y'all. 2. Detective Kima is a total badass cool chick that you do not want to fuck with.She's also gay and likes to step out on the gf, but hey...she can't have layers? But every time she breaks down the door to a stash house, I wonder "Gee, what's ita doing tonight?" 3. It's a visual novel...how cool is that? IM(limited) experience, "nice" is how your friends try to spin a boring schlemiel. Of course he is, but mostly cause he's not anything else, either.

Actually tummy sighting.

Of course he is, but mostly cause he's not anything else, either.

I've found that nice is also used when you can't think of anything (as opposed to anything else), and is sometimes used--or better said--wielded by guys with a chip on their shoulders about the nice v. bad dichotomy, and in that little defensiveness they're not that nice at all. Passive aggressive at best.

Erika, The Wire is definitely on my DVD to do list.

and is sometimes used--or better said--wielded by guys with a chip on their shoulders about the nice v. bad dichotomy

Years ago that sorta' applied to me.

And then there's "nice" in the Good Omens sense, and precise and accurate can have their uses. Still, it's not at the top of my Looking For list.

I'm probably looking for a genuinely nice guy with a dry sense of humor and a motorcycle.

Given my dating history for the past decade, I should probably just get myself a motorcycle and be done with it.

Years ago that sorta' applied to me.

Everyone's a mess when they're young, aren't they? For the most part, I mean.

Everyone's a mess when they're young, aren't they? For the most part, I mean.

Not me. I was perfect.

Well, you can't lose at a game you won't play. And I didn't really play in the relationship space. Well, still don't, really. But for different reasons, possibly including habituation. And migraines. Not that I wouldn't. I just haven't, exactly.

I'm probably looking for a genuinely nice guy with a dry sense of humor and a motorcycle.

Huh. Years ago I got freaked out by guys I knew who got into bad motorcycle accidents. So no motorcycle for me - at least until I move to a place less urban than Chicago.

Everyone's a mess when they're young, aren't they?

OMG I'll be young forever.

Not me. I was perfect.

Why do you give us set-up lines like that one? Why?