Other than Dana's fics, and her and shrift's recs are there any other *good* Luke and Lorelai fics out there? Or am I just beating my head against a wall?

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There are a few...oh, but if you've read my recs, you've seen them. Um.

There's a new archive at www.dreamtramp.com, but considering I gave them archiving permission like a month ago, and my stuff still isn't up there, it's not a great sign.

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I was pretty much thnking that if you haven't reced it, it probably wasn't there. Why oh why do I like romantics pairing fic with so little well-written (Luke/Lorelai, Pacey/Joey, Josh/Donna, and previously Buffy/Spike).

If I were writing inclines, it is enough to make me start. But I really just want to read.

OTOH, I think "romantic" fic has ruined me for alot of romance novels. A lot of the romantic fic out tthere is just as good as/better than the romance fiction out there, and I don't have to pay for it.

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Paying for it just takes the romance out of it.

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You've actually got a decent chance with Josh/Donna, if you're still interested.

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I'd be interested in Josh/Donna...

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victoria p. has the rec page you want to check out, then.

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Woo Hoo! Thank ye Dana, Queen amoung fanfic recommenders!

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I tuned into BBC News in the car this morning just in time to hear them doing a segment on manga. Specifically, the part about yaoi. It was interesting, since I only really know the terms and next to nothing about actual manga and yaoi.

They spoke to a "yaoi" expert who said that in yaoi, the men are "not gay, but in love with each other" and that girls are generally interested in yaoi because "they're interested in sex, but also rejecting their own sexuality."

Yaoi sounds like less fun than slash, I gotta say.

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Dana, all I can say is that your yaoi "expert" is about as on-target as most slash "experts" who end up talking to the media. It also sounds as if he (or she) has some issues.

Anyhow, yaoi essentially is slash. There's wonderfully done yaoi, and there is utter crap, just as there is in the slash world.

Basically, the only differences between yaoi and slash is that in yaoi:

• The order in which you list the pairing is important, as it indicates top/bottom. BTW, this seems to be less and less true as time goes by.

• A "x" is often used rather than a "/" to denote a pairing

• RPS is an obvious impossibility in the yaoi world.

• With yaoi, a good number of pairings are canon, not subtextual. This includes pairings from stuff aimed at young kids (Card Captor Sakura, Sailor Moon). Some mainstream manga actually show same-sex kissage (Fake, Sailor Moon).

• With yaoi, you can actually

buy, with tacit blessing from the parent company, "doujinshi," which are fan-drawn and written manga. (The manga publishers tend to look at these as free publicity. Several writers and artists actually admit to collecting doujinshi based on their own series.) Some of these are of incredible quality, and there are some published artists/writers who got their start and got noticed by doing these.

• The yaoi equivalent of "femslash" is "yuri." Don't ask me why.

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