I don't know about you guys, but I've had it with super-strong little women who aren't me.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Anne W. - Mar 17, 2004 5:35:06 am PST #7490 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Dana, all I can say is that your yaoi "expert" is about as on-target as most slash "experts" who end up talking to the media. It also sounds as if he (or she) has some issues.

Anyhow, yaoi essentially is slash. There's wonderfully done yaoi, and there is utter crap, just as there is in the slash world.

Basically, the only differences between yaoi and slash is that in yaoi:

  • The order in which you list the pairing is important, as it indicates top/bottom. BTW, this seems to be less and less true as time goes by.

  • A "x" is often used rather than a "/" to denote a pairing

  • RPS is an obvious impossibility in the yaoi world.

  • With yaoi, a good number of pairings are canon, not subtextual. This includes pairings from stuff aimed at young kids (Card Captor Sakura, Sailor Moon). Some mainstream manga actually show same-sex kissage (Fake, Sailor Moon).

  • With yaoi, you can actually
buy, with tacit blessing from the parent company, "doujinshi," which are fan-drawn and written manga. (The manga publishers tend to look at these as free publicity. Several writers and artists actually admit to collecting doujinshi based on their own series.) Some of these are of incredible quality, and there are some published artists/writers who got their start and got noticed by doing these.

  • The yaoi equivalent of "femslash" is "yuri." Don't ask me why.


Dana - Mar 17, 2004 5:39:03 am PST #7491 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Dana, all I can say is that your yaoi "expert" is about as on-target as most slash "experts" who end up talking to the media. It also sounds as if he (or she) has some issues.

Yeah, I thought it sounded kind of weird. It was a she, by the way.


amych - Mar 17, 2004 5:42:46 am PST #7492 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Yeah, I thought it sounded kind of weird.

Yep. Yaoi fans are little girls who like the gay because they're afraid of their own sexuality. Slash fans are no-life internet freaks who like the gay because they're afraid of their own sexuality. Same old, same old.


Nutty - Mar 17, 2004 5:49:26 am PST #7493 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

(Yeah. I always wondered, about such arguments, why anyone afraid of sexuality would get into, you know, the gay. There is the procedural and the "canon-compliant" characters stuck in the Triassic Period and the amazing adventure and the evil empire of giant cats, for people who can't handle sexuality. Okay, some of those involved sexuality, but you get my meaning.)

Nothing to get one's fur shorts in a twist about.


Elena - Mar 17, 2004 6:28:39 am PST #7494 of 10000
Thanks for all the fish.

Is there any consensus on Connor being 'Steven' or 'Stephen' to Holtz?


Katie M - Mar 17, 2004 6:30:55 am PST #7495 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Stephen feels like an older spelling to me, Elena.


Lyra Jane - Mar 17, 2004 6:35:06 am PST #7496 of 10000
Up with the sun

Stephen feels like an older spelling to me, Elena

I'd probably go with it for that reason myself, but season three shooting scripts (I checked "A New World," "Benediction" and "Tomorrow") all use Steven.


Elena - Mar 17, 2004 6:38:47 am PST #7497 of 10000
Thanks for all the fish.

I've been using Stephen - but I wasn't sure.


shrift - Mar 17, 2004 6:43:11 am PST #7498 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Huh. Scripts say it's "Steven".

Edit: And I knew that was going to be a x-post.


Elena - Mar 17, 2004 6:55:48 am PST #7499 of 10000
Thanks for all the fish.

If the scripts say Steven, then Steven I will use. Thanks everyone.