Simon: I, uh... I never-never shot anyone before. Book: I was there, son. I'm fair sure you haven't shot anyone yet.

'War Stories'


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Laga - Jan 03, 2007 9:16:25 am PST #6798 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

affected by Frankie's vulnerability

I'm afraid this is what's going to happen to me if I watch Pursuit of Happyness.


erikaj - Jan 03, 2007 9:26:36 am PST #6799 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I liked Dear Frankie, but it didn't hit my cry buttons, which are unpredictable and strange.


Aims - Jan 03, 2007 9:29:20 am PST #6800 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Also haven't seen The Virgin Suicides.

It's not a Sofia Coppola thing, it was the story. I LOVED LOVED LOVED Marie Antoinette.


Strega - Jan 03, 2007 11:17:37 am PST #6801 of 10001

What are some great movies whose stories are pretty much "Some guy saves a girl, and that's it" or "A man meets a woman," and why do they transcend it?

Most stories can be boiled down to something like that, though. Some of them can be boiled down to even less. I mean, "There's a trivial mystery about this dude's last words, and nobody solves it." Doesn't sound all that interesting, does it?

Maybe I don't get the distinction you're making. If you mean stories with internal conflict instead of external conflict... but even then, I think it's a style issue, not a substance issue. And probably not one you can pin down that easily. Children of Men looked eyeroll-inducing to me from way back, and the more I heard about it the worse it sounded. Can't explain why, but I don't care if it's The Greatest Movie Ever; I don't think I'll enjoy watching it.


Polter-Cow - Jan 03, 2007 11:19:34 am PST #6802 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I mean, "There's a trivial mystery about this dude's last words, and nobody solves it." Doesn't sound all that interesting, does it?

Ha, yeah, I know. And I loved that movie.

Maybe I don't get the distinction you're making.

That's okay. I don't get it either.

If you mean stories with internal conflict instead of external conflict... but even then, I think it's a style issue, not a substance issue.

I think that might be it. I think it may be hard for me to get into stories with internal conflict, maybe.


Amy - Jan 03, 2007 11:23:21 am PST #6803 of 10001
Because books.

I think that might be it. I think it may be hard for me to get into stories with internal conflict, maybe.

I don't think so, P-C. Look at Veronica Mars. A lot of Veronica's conflicts are internal. And think of Lorrie Moore's fiction -- there's often very little in the way of action or external conflict, and much more ruminating and thinkiness.


Polter-Cow - Jan 03, 2007 11:29:56 am PST #6804 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

A lot of Veronica's conflicts are internal.

Yeah, but there's also a lot of external shit to keep me occupied otherwise. Besides the mysteries, a lot of her internal conflicts are manifested in her actions.

And think of Lorrie Moore's fiction -- there's often very little in the way of action or external conflict, and much more ruminating and thinkiness.

Yeah, her stories are all internal, but they're also made up of her words, which are lovely.

Movies are so short. I guess I feel dumb for not "appreciating" the subtle character pieces like You Can Count on Me and...I think I actually did like Sideways, for the most part, at least. I keep trying, though. Would I like Little Miss Sunshine ? Or The Departed ? Or Pan's Labyrinth ? I don't know anymore! Damn you, Alfonso CuarĂ³n, you're making me have another crisis of art.

At least Dexter was just as awesome as I had been led to believe.


Dana - Jan 03, 2007 11:33:06 am PST #6805 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

The Departed is not subtle. Trust me on that.


Polter-Cow - Jan 03, 2007 11:57:56 am PST #6806 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Woo! Down with subtlety! Up with extremity!


DavidS - Jan 03, 2007 12:00:14 pm PST #6807 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Woo! Down with subtlety! Up with extremity!

How about subtle extremities? Perhaps a squid's tentacle that tapers to an end so thin that it's practically evanescent. Huh? How about that?