Reynolds, I'm a dangerous-minded man on a ship loaded with hurt. Now, why you got me chatting with your peons?

Womack ,'The Message'


Natter 42, the Universe, and Everything  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, flaming otters, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Feb 08, 2006 6:32:51 am PST #5664 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

No previous experience in audits, but hey! he was an ethics lawyer for the White House General Counsel during this admin!

I'm waiting for the administation to appoint a Cylon to be in charge of Department of Computer Defense Against Alien Attack.

Really, all the Cylons had to do was give a bunch of money to Bush's reelection campaign....


bon bon - Feb 08, 2006 6:36:23 am PST #5665 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

ID and young-earth creationism are not the same thing. AFAIK, ID does not exclude big bang theory, because god could be behind that too. ID also professes support for *some* evolution.


Tom Scola - Feb 08, 2006 6:41:23 am PST #5666 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I think that many of the ID folks are saying what they think they can get away with, not what they believe. And that a lot of them don't fully understand what the core theories say, they're just attracted to the idea because they think it disproves Darwinism.


tommyrot - Feb 08, 2006 6:46:14 am PST #5667 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Gah. My brain is totally not working today. I spent the last hour and a half fixing a problem, but I kept on making these mistakes (testing using the wrong function, etc.) It really should have taken me less than half an hour.

Now I feel bad that we bill by the hour, so our client has to pay extra because my brain is not working well.

Oh well, they save money when my brain is working extra-clever-like, right?


Rick - Feb 08, 2006 6:49:32 am PST #5668 of 10002

It's the idea that you're not going to be looked at closely that boggles me. Subtler lies, people!

This is what fascinates me. Here we have an administration that wants to invade the privacy of American citizens without a warrant, but they can't be bothered to check the resume of a political appointee who will be working in an agency that does work with clear implications for national security. Morons.


§ ita § - Feb 08, 2006 6:50:55 am PST #5669 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just heard an NPR piece about mothers and daughters that made the relationship sound torturous, but one we should cherish anyway. Which is to say, daughters should let mothers nag. Pretty horrible. Luckily my mother has never criticised my clothing other than wondering why I never liked what she tried to buy me. She did weight nag, and has worried about that for years, with various degrees of justification. As for my hair (the third part of the nag trinity) she has long questioned my psychological motivation for my hair. I think she thinks it looks good-she worries about what it means.

Are mothers supposed to be excused for that sort of hassling?

Unrelatedly, I'm one of the most made up women in the room. Lip gloss.


bon bon - Feb 08, 2006 6:51:11 am PST #5670 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I think that many of the ID folks are saying what they think they can get away with, not what they believe. And that a lot of them don't fully understand what the core theories say, they're just attracted to the idea because they think it disproves Darwinism.

This is ad hominem though. The problem that creationists use ID theory to advance creationism is separate from the problems with the ID theory itself.


brenda m - Feb 08, 2006 6:56:07 am PST #5671 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

The problem that creationists use ID theory to advance creationism is separate from the problems with the ID theory itself.

Hmm. That seems to presuppose that the ID theory has a legitimacy outside of the creationism advancing agenda, no? I'm not sure I'm convinced of that.


§ ita § - Feb 08, 2006 7:00:21 am PST #5672 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

One has to distinguish legitimacy from truth, right? I don't think one should assume that ID has no independent validity but rather argue the point.


Rick - Feb 08, 2006 7:05:44 am PST #5673 of 10002

This is ad hominem though. The problem that creationists use ID theory to advance creationism is separate from the problems with the ID theory itself.

It's always good to guard against ad hominem argument, but it's very difficult to escape in the case of ID. I mean, it's scarcely possible that anyone who ever took a human anatomy class really believes that we were designed by an intelligent creator. A dimwitted creator, maybe, or perhaps a creator who started celebrating too early in the week of creation and was too hung over to finish the job.

So when you see someone with a Ph.D. in Biology arguing for ID it is natural to assume that they are doing so cynically and without really believing it. It may not be true. They could be demented or psychotic. Who knows?