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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, flaming otters, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jars - Jan 20, 2006 5:16:53 am PST #1552 of 10002

Maybe the whale is just gronkled. All the rescue services need to do is pour some black coffee down its blowhole and it'll rememeber why it went up there in the first place.


tommyrot - Jan 20, 2006 5:21:41 am PST #1553 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Lots of people have gotten much poorer mileage out of their hybrids than the EPA estimats. For any car, how you drive it will affect mileage, but for hybrids the way you drive can have a huge impact.


Gudanov - Jan 20, 2006 5:23:35 am PST #1554 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Lots of people have gotten much poorer mileage out of their hybrids than the EPA estimats. For any car, how you drive it will affect mileage, but for hybrids the way you drive can have a huge impact.

Yeah, I'm just wondering if people are going to want to pay a premium for a hybrid if the figures on the sticker aren't as dramatically higher as non-hybrid models.


tommyrot - Jan 20, 2006 5:26:56 am PST #1555 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Yeah, I wonder that too. But AFAIK the new figures will be a better reflection of reality.


sumi - Jan 20, 2006 5:27:12 am PST #1556 of 10002
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Oh, they don't. My cousin looked into the Prius seriously and wound up going mini-cooper because the gas-mileage you'd get wasn't any better and the mini was easier to find.


Gudanov - Jan 20, 2006 5:34:35 am PST #1557 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

But AFAIK the new figures will be a better reflection of reality.

I think it's all for the good to get more realistic figures, but I'm just curious what the impact will be. In semi-related news, Mercedes is getting ready to sell diesel models that will be clean enough for California and New York.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 20, 2006 5:42:46 am PST #1558 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I wonder why the hybrids were muscalculated so? I've been very watchful of my mileage with a normal gas-burner (hey, at 100+ gallons a month I have to be) and it's very close to the estimated mpg.


Gudanov - Jan 20, 2006 5:46:25 am PST #1559 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

I think the current testing method just happens to be ideal conditions for hybrids to turn in big mileage numbers.


Sean K - Jan 20, 2006 5:48:02 am PST #1560 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I wonder why the hybrids were muscalculated so? I've been very watchful of my mileage with a normal gas-burner (hey, at 100+ gallons a month I have to be) and it's very close to the estimated mpg.

Do you drive it properly, Matt (I'm betting you do)? I know that with NoiseDesign's hybrid, you're supposed to drive it much differently than a normal car. If you stomp on the gas to accelerate and such, the electric motor kicks in much less frequently. ND has even talked about finessing the heater on cold days, only turning it on it spurts, so that he can still use the electric motor most of the time (high-energy systems, like the heater, force hybrids to run off the gas motor).


tommyrot - Jan 20, 2006 5:53:46 am PST #1561 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

How the EPA tests mileage: [link]

Specific speeds, acceleations, etc of the EPA tests: [link]

Huh. The highway mileage is tested at an average speed of 48 mph and a maximum speed of 60 mph.

Of course, when this test standard was put into effect we had a national 55 mph speed limit.