One of you is gonna fall and die, and I'm not cleaning it up!

Mal ,'War Stories'


Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Lee - Jan 05, 2006 11:18:23 am PST #7968 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

For christ's sake, Perkins, would you just consult with the person already?!?!

Actually, no. I told the attorney to do it.


Kathy A - Jan 05, 2006 11:18:24 am PST #7969 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Right now, I'm twiddling my thumbs (in between looking up state law effective dates for Michigan) waiting for Vermont to put up the governor's state of the state address so I can e-mail the link to the editor that needs it. They told me it was going to be up "sometime this afternoon," which is rapidly disappearing, especially in Vermont.

I'm guessing that California is going to be a bit more punctual with the Governator's address tonight (I have to hang around here until it's up, so I hope they're on time with posting it).


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2006 11:20:57 am PST #7970 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

You all have seen "Ode on a Grecian Urn, Condensed," right? Four lines, people. And it rhymes!

Booth is trudy, trudy booth.


Jesse - Jan 05, 2006 11:22:12 am PST #7971 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Actually, no. I told the attorney to do it.

Niiiiice.


Nutty - Jan 05, 2006 11:24:40 am PST #7972 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Booth is trudy, trudy booth.

No, the entire text of it is:

Gods chase round vase
What say? What play?
Don't know.

...Nice, though.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 05, 2006 11:27:01 am PST #7973 of 10002
What is even happening?

The frie-breathing hypocrite-pastor thing seems to happen with disturbing regularity.
And some folks say there is no God.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for inclusive language. However, I think it's entirely unnecessary when referring specifically to Jesus, and I think it's really annoying in the few songs that most people know the words to by heart. I'm talking first verse of common Christmas carols here, not too much to ask.

I think changing the words to most/all old hymns is petty, and it's hardly where the real problem lies with sexism in religion. I applaud biblical translations that, using the more apt word choices, become more inclusive (provided they do so remaining faithful to the texts they're rendering). I enjoy newer hymns that are inclusive. If a hymn or carol was originally written in another language and was more inclusive in the original language, I can see rendering a better translation (although I'm with Jesse on leaving the popular Christmas carols alone, and that it is ridiculous to de-sex Jesus, who was actually a man).

Hymns are art, which is why I think this pushes my buttons. This is art people created to express their beliefs and their praise. I dont' see a moral difference between inclusivizing-up the hymns and going into the Sistine Chapel, and repainting this [link] picture face of God (on the right) such that it ends up androgynous.


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2006 11:27:08 am PST #7974 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

...Nice, though.

That's where it's from.


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2006 11:29:11 am PST #7975 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I dont' see a moral difference between inclusivizing-up the hymns and going into the Sistine Chapel, and repainting this [link] picture face of God (on the right) such that it ends up androgynous.

Though if you are going to mess with a masterpiece give poor Adam a, um, hand.


Jesse - Jan 05, 2006 11:29:31 am PST #7976 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm totally with you, Cindy.


§ ita § - Jan 05, 2006 11:31:03 am PST #7977 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I dont' see a moral difference between inclusivizing-up the hymns and going into the Sistine Chapel, and repainting this [link] picture face of God (on the right) such that it ends up androgynous.

Well, the original hymns do still exist, so I do see a difference. At least they're not messing with the only version.