On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 05, 2006 11:34:09 am PST #7978 of 10002
What is even happening?

Though if you are going to mess with a masterpiece give poor Adam a, um, hand.

Heh. Well, he was very young, Trudy.

I'm totally with you, Cindy.
I owe my mother a debt I can only pay forward to my own kids, in that not for a moment, despite how biblical our understanding of Christianity was, did I ever think I was a second class Christian because I have a vagina, rather than a penis.

I like your updated rendition of the Doxology, by the way. I like the original, because it's a really ancient creed, but like you said, because the Doxology is a weekly thing, it bears shaking up, now and then.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 05, 2006 11:35:01 am PST #7979 of 10002
What is even happening?

Well, the original hymns do still exist, so I do see a difference. At least they're not messing with the only version.

To me, a song only exists in a meaningful sense, when it's being played/sung. The rest of the time, there are notes on paper, telling how to make it exist.


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2006 11:36:02 am PST #7980 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I like the original, because it's a really ancient creed, but like you said, because the Doxology is a weekly thing, it bears shaking up, now and then.

Except for the Tango Doxology. A line must be drawn somewhere, dammit.


Jesse - Jan 05, 2006 11:36:09 am PST #7981 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The thing that pisses me off is that newer Bible translations are often more true to the original language, while being more inclusive. The original texts weren't nearly as patricarchical as the KJV in a lot of cases.


§ ita § - Jan 05, 2006 11:38:53 am PST #7982 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

a song only exists in a meaningful sense, when it's being played/sung.

But if you can make either exist just like that (or they could both be existing at the very same time) I don't feel the same sort of loss as the desecration of something that can never be restored to its full glory. Or at least not quickly.


Nutty - Jan 05, 2006 11:48:28 am PST #7983 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

That's where it's from.

The version I know is just those three lines, and that's all. No Booth.

I dont' see a moral difference between inclusivizing-up the hymns and going into the Sistine Chapel, and repainting

Didn't people actually do that, though? Repaint on top of Renaissance paintings to drape all of the nudie with drapery? (I don't know if specifically in the Sistine Chapel, but a lot elsewhere.) So, the urge to meddle with art is not a new one.


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2006 11:51:50 am PST #7984 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The version I know is just those three lines, and that's all. No Booth.

I mean messing with the poem is where the name is from.


Jessica - Jan 05, 2006 12:11:13 pm PST #7985 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Batman TV


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2006 12:32:59 pm PST #7986 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

So, tomorrow does my Tivo-less self want to watch In Justice or Book of Daniel.

Anti-death penalty v. Religious snark is a very very tough choice.


tommyrot - Jan 05, 2006 12:35:33 pm PST #7987 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'd recommend Book of Daniel, just because it's getting a bit controversial (two stations are refusing to air it after receiving complaints).

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