Well sure, but that's why you have us. To let out the asscaps.
ION, I am such a sucker -- I just bought candy from a neighbor kid selling for school. Not cheap, either! But I've never had a kid come door-to-door to my door.
Joyce: You don't think it's too obvious? I think I look like I have a cat on my head. Buffy: But a very well groomed cat. Joyce: Well that's a comfort.
'Bring On The Night'
Natter 39 and Holding
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Jesse - Oct 03, 2005 1:40:31 pm PDT #2978 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
bon bon - Oct 03, 2005 1:44:05 pm PDT #2979 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
If we can't get someone I agree with, can we at least get someone really really smart and good at the job? Sigh.
Precisely. The Roes and Lawrences of this world are few and far between. But we have to practice under hundreds of lesser decisions that really should be authored by one of the amazingly brilliant jurists out there. The swing vote-- AK and SOC-- makes the Court's jurisprudence in their own image. I don't want her to be it.
le nubian - Oct 03, 2005 1:54:03 pm PDT #2980 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
If Roe v. Wade is overturned, the religious right can still mobilize the homophobic.
There's always going to be an issue out there.
dw - Oct 03, 2005 2:00:09 pm PDT #2981 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval
That's kind of insane given that he's done plenty as head of the executive to further the pro-life agenda.
But not what the hard-core folks want: A ban with only a exception for life and health of mother. All Bush has done is not move along RU-486, stall Plan B, disallow using federal funds to hand out condoms as part of AIDS intervention, and curtail stem-cell research.
That sounds like a lot, but it's really not. Yes, a lot of it is onerous, but in 100% of this country abortion-on-demand is legal for women over the age of 18, and in a majority of this country it's legal for women under 18 without parental permission. During the Dubya time in office insurance coverage for contraception has expanded on a state level, and a court case now requires that non-profits cannot claim a Title VII exemption in order to disallow their health insurance from paying for things like The Pill.
I think Roe is a lot safer with Rehnquist off the Court. He was a man on a mission for precedents he didn't like.
Rehnquist wasn't a social opponent to Roe. He was a Constitutionalist opponent. In his mind, the right to ban/allow abortion should be rolled back to pre-Roe -- on a state by state basis. Scalia and his pubic-hair loving sockpuppet want a full-on ban with zero exception for life and health (which is a clear violation of the Constitution). Without Rehnquist, we're probably looking at politicking from the bench until Scalia dies in the saddle. I have hopes that Roberts will follow the Rehnquist model for a Chief Justice, but I'm afraid that Scalia will shove his hand up Roberts' ass the first chance he gets.
Remember this: There will never be a full overturn of Roe by the SCOTUS, ever, because a full overturn would violate Equal Protection (b/c a full overturn would place the life of the fetus/unborn above the mother). There will either be an overturn back to the Rehnquist position (devolve to states) or an expansion on Casey to allow states to limit abortion. Or, maybe we will all stand pat. A full overturn, though, would likely doom the GOP on the West Coast and in the Northeast for generations to come.
Topic!Cindy - Oct 03, 2005 2:02:28 pm PDT #2982 of 10002
What is even happening?
ION, I am such a sucker -- I just bought candy from a neighbor kid selling for school. Not cheap, either! But I've never had a kid come door-to-door to my door.
That's a double whammy. Candy coming to the door is hard to resist. A little kid raising money for school is hard to resist. A little kid raising money for school by bringing candy RIGHT TO YOU? Unpossible to resist.
Connie Neil - Oct 03, 2005 2:02:29 pm PDT #2983 of 10002
brillig
In other news, how is it determined when during the year Ramadan will fall? I know it migrates through the year, and I just noticed on my desk calendar that both Ramadan and Rosh Hashanah begin tonight at sundown. Happy Holidays, folks!
dw - Oct 03, 2005 2:02:51 pm PDT #2984 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval
If Roe v. Wade is overturned, the religious right can still mobilize the homophobic.
There's euthanasia as well.
There's always going to be an issue out there.
Problem is that if Roe is flipped there will be no reason for the Catholics to work with the Protestants politically. Outside of life issues they have little in common politically. Moment the Catholics start talking about economic disparity the Christian Coalition is out of there.
Topic!Cindy - Oct 03, 2005 2:03:43 pm PDT #2985 of 10002
What is even happening?
But not what the hard-core folks want: A ban with only a exception for life and health of mother.A lot of the real hard-core people don't even want to allow an exception for the health of the mother--they're life-of-the-mother-only and some are shaky on the life of the mother, frankly.
le nubian - Oct 03, 2005 2:07:28 pm PDT #2986 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
some are shaky on the life of the mother, frankly
Gah. Really?
dw - Oct 03, 2005 2:11:55 pm PDT #2987 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval
A lot of the real hard-core people don't even want to allow an exception for the health of the mother--they're life-of-the-mother-only and some are shaky on the life of the mother, frankly.
Back when I was younger the prevailing belief was no abortion, ever. Bush I was scourged for excepting rape and incest, which was TWO STEPS TOWARDS AUSCHWITZ in the minds of the true believers. Step one, of course, was life and health of the mother.
Over the last 5-10 years the pro-life movement has softened to life and health of the mother. Only the real nutjobs would drop health (since, generally, "health" includes "will having this baby kill her?") and the super-nutjobs drop life. The loony reasoning is "doctors would lie." Yeah, so?
One step to the left of L&H is "rape and incest," though many question how the law would define rape in this circumstance (especially in absence of a conviction).